Excuse me for not being more specific.

By reason I mean the act of thinking, reflecting, concluding, and coming to the analysis for the question at hand. The question you posed was, "Is there a God?" If we use "reason" we can certainly make an educated analysis. How do we make that analysis? We make it by logic. By logic I mean, the art of reason. The art that directs the action of reasoning. With logic we grow to understand what something is simply, with logic we come to make a judgment and also come to understand what is true and false about the simple matter at hand, and with logic we can discursively reason, run through, from one truth to the next. By "reasoning" with "logic" we can come to understand and know that there is a God. With logic we can decipher through and make judgment on the truths and false of God; such as what He is, what makes Him God. and why is He God, etc. And it is with the third part of logic, discursively reasoning, that we come to make the final educated analysis by either, grasping the truth (that there is a God), grasping it for the most part (that there is a God, but we do not know who is this God), or failing completely to grasp it (that there is no God).

By saying that the human mind can not reason its way to God is not only insulting to those who do believe in God, but also to oneself, for one does have the ability, but for some reason or other one may fail to grasp that there is, and this is simply because there was a failure or glitch at the beginning or throughout one's act of reasoning. To say one cannot reason to God, then we must ask ourselves why one can reason through everything else, except Him. Or, if you would rather have it that we cannot reason at all, and that we are nothing more than animals who run on instinct.

History and Reason are the most, in my opinion, sure ways of coming to understand and grasp a matter of Truth, not only that of God. They have been the ways in which countless men and women have found themselves at truth's door, the way I found myself there, and the way every human being tries to find themselves there, although some do not, but granted that is the way they try. History and the action of reasoning have proven to the farthest point that we can, or more so that God has allowed us too thus far (in countless ways and with countless differing arguments), that there is a God. Not only that there is a God, but that we know who He is. We know His characteristics. We know why He is God, and much more. Now, although through history and reason the existence of God has been proven (or at least no man on the face of this earth who lives and who has lived have been able to hold a candle against the proofs) history and reason, as well as practically everything else at some point, has never been able to prove there is not a God. Never. There is always something contradicting it at first, partly, but then later through reasoning it out again, entirely.

At one point we all must choose do we not? We all must choose to see everything laid out in front of us (our own reasoning, the events in history that prove so, the amazing simply complex world we live in, our own interior self and our ability to have emotions and feelings, our own reasoning of those emotions and feelings, the centuries loaded of works of some of the greatest thinkers who have walked our world, nature, so much more, and dare I say it we must also even acknowledge the cause of the supernatural) and either change our lives completely so as to live our purpose, which almost at all times calls us to deny our very own will, or take the easy way out and deny everything that has never had opposition, for opposition itself, which has always been completely refuted by what has been laid out in front of us. We also at times, dare I say it, are most controlled by our fear of having to give up our will and constant gratification (which is the very thing that most people get hung on after they realize there is a God, but they choose to worship a god who does not go against their natural, fallen desires and wants for gratification).

So yes, I have chosen to understand everything as it is. I believe that maybe, we could say, that you have simply chosen to see everything as it isn't because of some glitch whether that be your want for gratification, pride, laziness, lack of sources, oh there are so many things that cause a mind and soul to err, silly things, but all the less strongly existent.

I am most positive that you could try to break it down bit by bit, but I have even more confidence in the fact that God and Truth shall always win, no matter what unsound opposition you should try to throw at it. How do I know this? I know this because God's truth will always win, because He is real. Your oppositions are just those of a mere being whose oppositions are well... silly and small. I mean honestly, to take on God and Truth... quite the ambitious one aren't you? I know this because the truth always wins, history proves that. And I know this because I have already done it myself, and without wavering, until one day I had to face the facts that all of my war efforts were lost, and that God was true even if I chose not to give in.

I never said evolution did prove the existence of God. That would be silly of me because evolution's main purpose was to disprove it. And like so many other arguments, it too failed completely. Honestly, it was not much of a surprise to me at that point.

You are right on one thing, I could not prove there is not a goddess. But, God and His Truth could. God gave us reason, logic, and has been the constant narrator of history itself. God's creations will never be able to prove certainly anything false, nor will they be able not to prove everything that is true. Reason, logic, history, and oh so much more all have been able to prove God and His truths. Never have they been able to prove certainly... nor even too close to that, anything false. This goddess ordeal is just another silly belief that people, knowing the divine exists naturally, have sadly believed was the divine through most likely an error either in desiring their own interior desires over Truth or by a small, but unmistakably existent, error in reason or their logic... if they have even used those. Because it does not sound to me like it would take Einstein to figure out that nature has no power, nor has it ever.

Lastly, I never wanted to disprove it. I am most aware that I couldn't, even with my best arguments, for a soul does not know God until God allows the soul to know Him. Why, I don't know. You can ask Him when you die. Although, he does use us as instruments I do not feel called in the least to argue incessantly over whether a silly pagan goddess who doesn't exist does, at least not tonight I don't. I am rather tired, especially after writing this. I simply asked in the first place because I am willing to give anyone and any thing a chance to convince me, although I know they couldn't, but yet I was going to give them the benefit of the doubt. But once again I state, that never was my intention. I simply asked them where their logic was in it all and how they came out to her existence. And to your last sentence: Since I never intended too in the first place I cannot tell you why I or anyone else would want too, besides the fact that someone thought they could. But like I said, I already know I can't. I'll just wait for God to clue them in.

May God always keep you Bajan

God bless you,
TotusTuus

I have to accept that many in this world have a compulsion to convince those who don't "see/feel" the universe and how it came about in the same way as themselves, to come around to their beliefs.  If they don't, they are judged as not having found or refusing to see the "one truth".  This has caused so much death and destruction and continues to do so.  Life in all its forms will die today for this reason.

You have made assumptions about my beliefs and why/how I arrived to them, but thats OK.  You also "blessed" me... again, your need... not mine, but I have become accustomed to that.

I hope the sun will rise and set on a day when most of us will simply "live and let live"... I imagine thats why we're here.

 

DJ Rama, Peace be with you and thanks for taking the time to reply yes I agree with you a lot of people have been killed and abused in the name of christianity but they were cruel and evil people with hate in there hearts and not love.  Old women and men used to be killed as witches in the name of christianity what an abuse of faith and to blame god for their evil deeds.  They used to duck the old ladies acused of being witches in the river.  They were tied to a chair and ducked in the river and if they surrvied they were called witches and if they died they were christians what an evil and cruel thing to do. There are attrocities happening all over the world even now torture and cruelty to human beings for whatever reason political, religious, or just for meanness with some excuse or other for there crulty.  But I agree we are all spiritual beings who have but a short time on this earth and for me I would like to live it in love and harmony with other human beings and flora and fauna.  I try to be thoughtfull and loving in my dealings with anyone no matter who they are I treat all people with respect and consideration but you know some people just do not understand they think I am soft and sometimes mean people come along and abuse my love and kindness towards them as weakness.  Then I have to take a step back and leave them be.  You know I absolutly hate the way some people have used christianity to abuse there fellow man.  There was a time in history when christians were fed to the lions by the romans and even today christians are persecuted.  I was told that a group of christian missionaries were captured by a certain religeous group (whom shall remain nameless) and placed in a helicopter which was flown in the air  above a jungle and they were thrown out one by one male and female. So you see Christians are crually killed as well in the name of other religion.  But I like you dj rama want to live in harmoney and peace with my fellow human beings no matter what religion or race we have all got souls visiting our borrowed bodies which we are allowed to live in but for a short time so we should love and respect the nature around us and try and protect the enviroment around us for our children and teach them to live in harmony with all human beings where that person allows us to.

respect to you djrama and kusti bok