Cj Eastwood
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| 22 Jul 2007 03:03 |
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| Help me make the list...........
Bitti – Small,
Ken – House,
Pench – Think,
Skreev – Car,
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Cj Eastwood
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| 22 Jul 2007 03:20 |
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| A website I have just found that has examples of cant is http://php.iupui.edu/~asimmon/thief.html |
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valerierackly
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| 22 Jul 2007 13:33 |
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| barri - cushti or good. |
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May the peace of the LORD be with you always. God Bless |
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marty
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| 16 Aug 2007 15:56 |
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| dont know if the spelling is acurate!here goes.jigger___door.jukell___dog.keer___house.peeve___ _alchoal.plug____fool.sturdy____jail.hornys or feicheys___police.manishee___a women |
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Cj Eastwood
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| 17 Aug 2007 13:40 |
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Hi Marty
Jukel, Kher peeve and manushi are from Romani and all have their root from India. Jukkel I'm not sure but I believe is from Sanskrit 'Kukura' possably adding an 'l' to the end - kukurel - Jukel. Kher is from the Panjabi language. Pi / peeve is in most languages of Northwestern Indian. Manushi is in Sanskrit, Rajasthani & Hindi.
Hindi, Panjabi & Rajasthani all decend from the older Sanskrit. Hindi is basically the much newer version of Sanskrit (though very changed) recognised over much of India and Rajasthani is regional dialect / language from the far northwest of India. Panjabi & Rajasthani are both very similar to Hindi.
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Cj Eastwood
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| 17 Aug 2007 14:01 |
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here are some possible others, I'm not too sure about some of them though. I'm sure they are all from a slang of some sort but not definetely 'Elizabethan Cant'.
Perhaps someone else knows more on the language??
mort - woman
Foggus - tobacco
axis - six (backwards)
neves - seven
teigh - eight
chatters - teeth
scran - food
glazer / glimmer - window
cackler - egg
banger - pheasant
drums - ears
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valerierackly
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| 17 Aug 2007 14:31 |
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| hello cj i always read your posts on language and am beginning to understand more of the links with punjabi and sanskrit, What is sanskrit? I have known that some of the asian people say some of the same things as we do. I have met some roma people from albainia, and have heard there stories of there escape for being roma/ ethnic albainian. We have been luky here in the uk for some time but us becoming invisable to the authorities is not acceptable. i think we need to begin telling our fellow gypsy and traveller romani and other travellers that they are just as good as any-one else and are perfectly able to stand up for our own rights and needs. We cannot just use that we cannot read or write very well so we dont have to do anythink for ourselves. I have already been telling women and young people that i meet that they too can do or have a say in how e are treated. |
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Cj Eastwood
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| 18 Aug 2007 01:52 |
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I personally remember my Puro folki puka amoro jib, but the words I often hear today are very scarce amongst travellers and often the youngsters even say them wrong. I know gorjo folki on estates that speak more romanis that romani chaveh. Pani now means 'piss', muteh now means 'shit', gatta now means 'drunk', div now means 'idiot'.
New words that I believe are from Irish like nidi are introduced. Old words like ky are lost. I personally do not see a problem with the language being shared as I feel it is getting lost to a non-traveller adolesent thug ciulture that seem to think they know more about the meaning or origin of our words than we do. The thing I hate most is it is just a passing fashion for them but its a matter of culture to us.
Once upon a time the Romani people were the only real major minority in Europe along side the Jews and face major oppression and prejudisms. Nowadays in western Europe and the USA there are more ethnics than anything else. I personally feel we do not need to talk a secret language to survive in this modern day as most travellers only know a few words anyway, but to be recognised as a real people and not just a collection of social rejects is far more important.
By sharing our language not only helps us preserve the true language (as opposed to this sudden last so many years misused corruption) but also helps get us recognised as a people with rights and a sensible a respectful culture.
I'm glad "chavs" are now saying "jog on" instead of jel on. I just hope a new word for chav takes over as the whole image is being tied in with us and is building a hatred to us which I feel is unfair. |
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Cj Eastwood
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| 18 Aug 2007 02:15 |
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Hi Valerierackly
In India there are two language type. The first is Dravidian and was the older language of India and is now only spoken in the South India like Tamil Nadu or by the Tamils in Sri Lanka. This language has nothing in common with Romani. The other language type is Indo-Aryan which all decend from Sanskrit. Sanskrit is very close to ancient Persian (hence Indo-aryan = Indian - Iranian). Hindi, Rajasthani, Panjabi, Sindhi, Gujaratti, Urdu, Bengali etc etc all decend from Sanskrit.
The Romani can be compared to an older Panjabi / Rajasthani regional dialect. Because it is older than the present Indian languages of that area, it has much influence from raw Sanskrit not now seen in Panjabi & Rajasthani.
In Eastern Europe Roms are still the real major ethnic minority alongside Jews. Many Roms are stll very dark in comparrison to their neighbours due to less marrying out thier culture which also distinguishs them as a seperate race. They also speak a purer fuller langauge than their western cousins and live in whole neighbourhoods (mahala - quarters) full of Roms.
The people in countries like Albania or former Yugoslavia are a much harsher people in general so Roms in these areas get terrific ordeal at the hands of racism.
I feel it is important for western European Roms to get a good reputation and help get global support against the oppression of their cousins in these nasty lands.
Boot Kahmipen
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Victor
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| 23 Aug 2007 11:45 |
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| CJ, in the Balkans, the people not as a whole, but most of them, have a very hard characters, if you remember the first world war started from there, and other wars too. these people by my way of thinking, should not have a etnic population, since they hardly can live amonst themselfs, Victor |
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Cj Eastwood
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| 01 Sep 2007 02:19 |
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Hi Victor,
Your so right.
We have many people at present immigrating into the town of Chatham, UK where I was born who are from this region and they are causing much trouble.
Greatly connected into crime and some of their attitude towards women is also very bad. There has been some fierce rivalry between some of the different groups on a few occasions. |
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