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jackjack
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| 22 Jan 2007 04:57 |
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| I am a romanychal in usa who is of english descent.my ancestors came to america around the middle 1800's. i can trace back to the first one's in america but not over in england. this question has been posed i bet many times so please over look me. all i have are surname's and was wondering if maybe someone could help me find maybe distant cousins that i have there..my direct family names and ancestors were... pearce, stanley, lee, smith, wells,boswell, harrison, jeffery...does anyone on here who shares same surnames know if any of your ancestors people came to america around this time...thank you and this is a wonderful site as i have enjoyed it very much..jack pearce |
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lsa47
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| 22 Jan 2007 10:21 |
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hello jack, all those names are familuar,im sure quite a few of the guys on here will put you in the right direction,welcome to the site ,ENJOY! |
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jackjack
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| 23 Jan 2007 03:30 |
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my mom is a stanley and i think they came by way of canada...but in dayton ohio there is a cemetary where my mom and dad's people are buried. no one uses it anymore that i know of but for a great many romanys in america that is where we traceour ancestors
some tell the name of the town in england where they were born and yes there are buckland and joles along with the names i gave.
i am what is called in america southern romanychal i guess cause we live in the south...lol...but as far as i know i am not related to any northern romanys except the wells. stanley and harrison is a very common name but i have yet to find anything linking us..but i am sure if i can find a way to trace back to the old country it will all come to light..i thank all of you very much.
p.s. the reason i mentioned going thru canada is because many chored across the border so there is no official record.
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bang30
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| 30 Jan 2007 23:08 |
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| hiya jackjack..welcome |
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bang30
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| 08 Feb 2007 22:52 |
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| hi all, just thought id show ya see this, ..its a interesting read'
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. www.paulpolansky.nstemp.com/gypsies.htm |
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bang30
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| 08 Feb 2007 22:57 |
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(show ya see this) ..im talking like rain man again!! |
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valerierackly
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| 09 Feb 2007 10:24 |
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| I read the Paul polanski web sit. I thought it was a good and plain talking article. I thought it was very well researched and put together. |
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May the peace of the LORD be with you always. God Bless |
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bang30
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| 09 Feb 2007 15:30 |
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what was interesting was how he was saying.
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.(quote) "But to be honest, there are no real Romany left today. My mother was not allowed to wash the women’s clothes with the men’s; where you made your food, you were not allowed to dry your clothes. These were some of the old traditions. But today the young Romany have forgotten our traditions, our culture, our language, in their struggle to survive."
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. we was talking about this type of thing on here!! ..it seems Gipsies every were are loosing there old ways?
i think its sad''..but something Gipsies every were have in common..
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valerierackly
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| 10 Feb 2007 23:39 |
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I dont wash my clothes with my other half's, the either get done seperate or sent to the wash-house.
Come to think about it I seperate a lot of things I never realised I did. |
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May the peace of the LORD be with you always. God Bless |
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valerierackly
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| 10 Feb 2007 23:50 |
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Rading that has also made me think that some of those trible traits are here within the gypsys of today. If I think about it I know of other familys and my own and I can see the some of those traditions,even if watered down with time and inter-marriage. I can identify some of those traditions and ideals within people Gypsy/ travellers that I have met.
They're not as lost as we think, Its just that we're mixing with people whos traditions are not the same as ours more now. its not very long ago that a young man would only marry a young woman from certain group of families. Marrying the wrong/different family wasn't allowed. |
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May the peace of the LORD be with you always. God Bless |
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bang30
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| 12 Feb 2007 00:39 |
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me dad had a pakistani friend in a garage and he told me dad that his words were from a certain part of india?
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iv talked with indians and they thought i spoke funny rummness but i always said well so do you lol..
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.i always wonder how gypsy from all over the world will always speak around the same amount of rummness..and they say that they loose a lot of words but most Gipsies from other countries remember the same words?
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like beng,danyas, bal., mass, and so on? ..i wonder is there any Gipsies in Europe that pronounce words like they still do in india?..
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Cj Eastwood
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| 12 Feb 2007 22:11 |
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Hi Bang : )
With many Anglo-Roms we change an 'a' to an 'o'. i.e
Yog (Yag), pog (Pag), yok (yak), gorja (gaje), lolo (lalo), kom (kam), bori (bari), Pobble (Pabai), kosh (kasht), Bok (baxt), posh (pash).
The older grandparents didn't all use the 'o', as can be seen in the Welsh dialect which would've been what was spoken in England.
Panjabi words are; ag (fire), ak (eye) aka (eyes), Pen (sister), anda (in), Pra (brother), kala (black m), Kali (black f), lal (Red).
So much is the same. |
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tiggi
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| 04 Jan 2008 23:05 |
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Hi JackJack
i hope you see this I am your cousin from England I am related to Bessie Buckland/ Wells married Nelson Wells related to old man Izzy Wells
I have lots of cousins for you to get in touch with all the names you mentioned i can accept and a few more so please get in touch I don't know if we are allowed to post email addies but will do it hope you see it sierra295@hotmail.com |
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k lowther
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| 18 May 2010 08:52 |
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| hi people am looking for any lowthers from pontyfact yorks i'm kevin lowther have lost touch over the years so drop me a line |
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valerierackly
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| 18 Jul 2010 16:51 |
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| hello k lowther, if you go on the leeds traveler GaTe website you'll find a women called kathleen and she's a lowther she might be able to help you. her dad was mandy, will be your uncle or cousin won't it? did you's used to shift, we used to stop with the lowthers in them areas. we used have you's stopped at hook moor,i'm in leeds and theres a load of lowthers here and in bradford theres a few too. |
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May the peace of the LORD be with you always. God Bless |
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Johnny Fa
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| 25 Jul 2010 09:55 |
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Sorry if this is something already dealt with on the forums.
It seems to be accepted that the Roma people originally came from India. But what caused them to leave India and when(roughly) did it happen? |
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| 25 Jul 2010 10:04 |
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| That's still being debated !! There are many theories and many scholars who favor the Indian/ Byzantine /Balkans etc but no concrete evidence apart from various mentions in mid 15th century (Scotland and England) but they suggest as early as the 11th century they started migrating for whatever reason again the many scholars have different ideas from escaping Muslim invaders to low caste social groups that were cast out etc etc .There are many books on this subject and all one can do is read some and then draw your own conclusion? of course if you have handed down oral history then thats a bonus! |
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victorv1
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| 04 Oct 2010 10:57 |
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| My dear moderator what happened to the short stories that I have send, about diffrent clans and their ways and stories, and also ther other stories ? is there anything wrong with Jouney Folki ? if so please try and explain the situation, other wise I connot send you more short stories! please aanswer. your member for quite a while, Victor visnevsky |
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biz
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| 06 Mar 2011 13:00 |
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| HI JACK HAVE JUST SEEN YOUR POST COULD YOU SEPERATELY E-MAIL
THE NAMES AND AREA IN THE UK AND ANY DATES THAT YOU MAY HAVE
NOT PROMISING BUT I HAVE DONE FAMILY RESEARCH OVER THE PAST 25 YEARS FOR ALOT OF PEOPLE AND IF I CAN WILL HELP YOU TOO
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jackjack
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| 01/22/2007 4:57 AM |
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| I am a romanychal in usa who is of english descent.my ancestors came to america around the middle 1800's. i can trace back to the first one's in america but not over in england. this question has been posed i bet many times so please over look me. all i have are surname's and was wondering if maybe someone could help me find maybe distant cousins that i have there..my direct family names and ancestors were... pearce, stanley, lee, smith, wells,boswell, harrison, jeffery...does anyone on here who shares same surnames know if any of your ancestors people came to america around this time...thank you and this is a wonderful site as i have enjoyed it very much..jack pearce |
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lsa47
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| 01/22/2007 10:21 AM |
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| hello jack, all those names are familuar,im sure quite a few of the guys on here will put you in the right direction,welcome to the site ,ENJOY! |
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jackjack
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| 01/23/2007 3:30 AM |
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my mom is a stanley and i think they came by way of canada...but in dayton ohio there is a cemetary where my mom and dad's people are buried. no one uses it anymore that i know of but for a great many romanys in america that is where we traceour ancestors
some tell the name of the town in england where they were born and yes there are buckland and joles along with the names i gave.
i am what is called in america southern romanychal i guess cause we live in the south...lol...but as far as i know i am not related to any northern romanys except the wells. stanley and harrison is a very common name but i have yet to find anything linking us..but i am sure if i can find a way to trace back to the old country it will all come to light..i thank all of you very much.
p.s. the reason i mentioned going thru canada is because many chored across the border so there is no official record.
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bang30
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| 01/30/2007 11:08 PM |
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| hiya jackjack..welcome |
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bang30
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| 02/08/2007 10:52 PM |
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| hi all, just thought id show ya see this, ..its a interesting read'
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. www.paulpolansky.nstemp.com/gypsies.htm |
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bang30
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| 02/08/2007 10:57 PM |
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| (show ya see this)..im talking like rain man again!! |
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valerierackly
Posts:1040
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| 02/09/2007 10:24 AM |
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| I read the Paul polanski web sit. I thought it was a good and plain talking article. I thought it was very well researched and put together. |
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May the peace of the LORD be with you always. God Bless |
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bang30
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| 02/09/2007 3:30 PM |
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what was interesting was how he was saying.
.
.(quote) "But to be honest, there are no real Romany left today. My mother was not allowed to wash the women’s clothes with the men’s; where you made your food, you were not allowed to dry your clothes. These were some of the old traditions. But today the young Romany have forgotten our traditions, our culture, our language, in their struggle to survive."
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.
. we was talking about this type of thing on here!! ..it seems Gipsies every were are loosing there old ways?
i think its sad''..but something Gipsies every were have in common..
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valerierackly
Posts:1040
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| 02/10/2007 11:39 PM |
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I dont wash my clothes with my other half's, the either get done seperate or sent to the wash-house.
Come to think about it I seperate a lot of things I never realised I did. |
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May the peace of the LORD be with you always. God Bless |
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valerierackly
Posts:1040
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| 02/10/2007 11:50 PM |
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Rading that has also made me think that some of those trible traits are here within the gypsys of today. If I think about it I know of other familys and my own and I can see the some of those traditions,even if watered down with time and inter-marriage. I can identify some of those traditions and ideals within people Gypsy/ travellers that I have met.
They're not as lost as we think, Its just that we're mixing with people whos traditions are not the same as ours more now. its not very long ago that a young man would only marry a young woman from certain group of families. Marrying the wrong/different family wasn't allowed. |
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May the peace of the LORD be with you always. God Bless |
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bang30
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| 02/12/2007 12:39 AM |
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me dad had a pakistani friend in a garage and he told me dad that his words were from a certain part of india?
.
iv talked with indians and they thought i spoke funny rummness but i always said well so do you lol..
.
.i always wonder how gypsy from all over the world will always speak around the same amount of rummness..and they say that they loose a lot of words but most Gipsies from other countries remember the same words?
.
like beng,danyas, bal., mass, and so on? ..i wonder is there any Gipsies in Europe that pronounce words like they still do in india?..
.
bang |
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Cj Eastwood
Posts:233
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| 02/12/2007 10:11 PM |
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Hi Bang : )
With many Anglo-Roms we change an 'a' to an 'o'. i.e
Yog (Yag), pog (Pag), yok (yak), gorja (gaje), lolo (lalo), kom (kam), bori (bari), Pobble (Pabai), kosh (kasht), Bok (baxt), posh (pash).
The older grandparents didn't all use the 'o', as can be seen in the Welsh dialect which would've been what was spoken in England.
Panjabi words are; ag (fire), ak (eye) aka (eyes), Pen (sister), anda (in), Pra (brother), kala (black m), Kali (black f), lal (Red).
So much is the same. |
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tiggi
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| 01/04/2008 11:05 PM |
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Hi JackJack
i hope you see this I am your cousin from England I am related to Bessie Buckland/ Wells married Nelson Wells related to old man Izzy Wells
I have lots of cousins for you to get in touch with all the names you mentioned i can accept and a few more so please get in touch I don't know if we are allowed to post email addies but will do it hope you see it sierra295@hotmail.com |
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k lowther
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| 05/18/2010 8:52 AM |
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| hi people am looking for any lowthers from pontyfact yorks i'm kevin lowther have lost touch over the years so drop me a line |
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valerierackly
Posts:1040
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| 07/18/2010 4:51 PM |
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| hello k lowther, if you go on the leeds traveler GaTe website you'll find a women called kathleen and she's a lowther she might be able to help you. her dad was mandy, will be your uncle or cousin won't it? did you's used to shift, we used to stop with the lowthers in them areas. we used have you's stopped at hook moor,i'm in leeds and theres a load of lowthers here and in bradford theres a few too. |
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May the peace of the LORD be with you always. God Bless |
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Johnny Fa
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| 07/25/2010 9:55 AM |
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Sorry if this is something already dealt with on the forums.
It seems to be accepted that the Roma people originally came from India. But what caused them to leave India and when(roughly) did it happen? |
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Moderator
Posts:680
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| 07/25/2010 10:04 AM |
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| That's still being debated !! There are many theories and many scholars who favor the Indian/ Byzantine /Balkans etc but no concrete evidence apart from various mentions in mid 15th century (Scotland and England) but they suggest as early as the 11th century they started migrating for whatever reason again the many scholars have different ideas from escaping Muslim invaders to low caste social groups that were cast out etc etc .There are many books on this subject and all one can do is read some and then draw your own conclusion? of course if you have handed down oral history then thats a bonus! |
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victorv1
Posts:113
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| 10/04/2010 10:57 AM |
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| My dear moderator what happened to the short stories that I have send, about diffrent clans and their ways and stories, and also ther other stories ? is there anything wrong with Jouney Folki ? if so please try and explain the situation, other wise I connot send you more short stories! please aanswer. your member for quite a while, Victor visnevsky |
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biz
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| 03/06/2011 1:00 PM |
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| HI JACK HAVE JUST SEEN YOUR POST COULD YOU SEPERATELY E-MAIL
THE NAMES AND AREA IN THE UK AND ANY DATES THAT YOU MAY HAVE
NOT PROMISING BUT I HAVE DONE FAMILY RESEARCH OVER THE PAST 25 YEARS FOR ALOT OF PEOPLE AND IF I CAN WILL HELP YOU TOO
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