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| 31 Aug 2007 04:21 |
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Gypsy clans fight for prize O.C. turf
Gypsy kings in court
FRANK MICKADEIT
Register columnist
fmickadeit@ocregister.com
A black town car bearing a large, swarthy, well-dressed man pulls into a cemetery where his hated business rival is being buried. The beefy chauffeur opens the door for him and he emerges from the car, but before he can get to the casket and pay his respects, the decedent's large family descends and surrounds him. There's shouting – and death threats and the brief flash of chrome-plated pistols, according to some. The chauffeur grabs his client and hustles him back into the car. As it roars away, the window rolls down and the man yells to his rival's grieving family: "I just wanted to make sure the mother-(expletive) was dead!"
Sounds like a gangster movie, but both sides agree this scene played out one day in early June. It was part of an ongoing fight between two Gypsy families over turf in Newport Beach. The dispute has found its way into Superior Court only because it couldn't be resolved by the Gypsies' own court, known as "The Tribunal." The case offers a glimpse into an insular society that operates in our midst but is all but invisible to non-Gypsies – unless you happen to go in for fortunetelling.
Several large Gypsy families – some with Anglicized names like Stevens, Edwards and Adams – have most of the fortunetelling business in Southern California. The Stevens have most of them in Newport, Costa Mesa and Huntington Beach. The O.C. Stevens are called the "Fat Johns" branch, after a deceased patriarch. The Stevens' attorney agrees they tend to "monopolize" these businesses, but denies they intimidate outsiders who come in. Several Stevens – some with nicknames like "White Bob" and " Black Bob" – also testified they have never issued threats. They declined to be interviewed outside of court.
But their business rival, Ed Merino,tells a tale of death threats against adults and children, and personal intimidation. And Merino's sister, Mary, who was married to the man in the casket, George Stevens, called her former in-laws the "Gypsy Mafia." When asked on the stand her husband's line of work, she replied: "On the record? Organized crime."
This story really begins in Europe, perhaps more than a century ago, where Merino says his Sicilian-based Gypsy family knew the Stevens clan, which has Slavic origins. But let's fast forward to 2003 and the death of Ed's and Mary's father, William, who was an L.A. bail bondsman.
When prominent Gypsies die, large testimonial dinners are held. It was at William's dinner in Santa Monica where Mary and George, both middle-aged and single, became acquainted, which led to a "marriage." I put "marriage" in quotes because Gypsies often forego civil marriages, instead throwing huge weddings that result in common-law relationships of dubious standing.
Ed, who I interviewed yesterday at the Starbucks in Crystal Cove, says Gypsies usually marry within their family – although bloodlines are kept far enough apart to avoid legal and genetic issues. For example, Ed's father and Ed's wife's grandfather were cousins. There's also a reverse dowry of sorts – the immediate family of the husband-to-be usually pays $5,000 to $7,500 to his fiancée's family, the exact amount often the subject of intense negotiation.
At the time of George and Mary's marriage, Ed and his wife were living in Pacific Palisades. In 2005, they moved to Orange County and opened up a business in Newport Beach called "Angelic Sanctuary."
Ed describes this business as offering "spiritual healing." An artist employee of theirs will paint a portrait of the customer, or a portrait of an angel on behalf of the customer. Ed's wife "interprets" the portrait as it pertains to the customer's life. They also offer something called "chakra balancing," which employs crystals to help bring a person's internals into balance.
This is completely different from the types of businesses the Stevens run, Ed says. "They are not spiritual counselors," he says. "They are downright palm readers and fortune tellers." The Stevens family currently has at least four fortunetelling businesses in west O.C.
George Stevens apparently didn't appreciate the distinction, however. Or perhaps he didn't want any other Gypsy-owned businesses along the O.C. coast, even if they were owned by his brother-in-law. Whatever the case, the Merinos said threats and intimidation started – and an O.C. court decided they tracked back to George.
Tomorrow: Rival fortune teller pays a visit.
Contact the writer: Mickadeit writes Mon.-Fri. Contact him at 714-796-4994 or fmickadeit@ocregister.com
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| 31 Aug 2007 16:19 |
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| MR.Snippits why don't you stay a while with the Roma/Gypsies, and study them better, this takes time, but it pays off, because you will see, the real life and custums of real Roma/Gipsies, this mafia type Roma, that you have discribed at the cemetary are very rare, they must have learned this type of behavior from the American Italian mafia,it is only natural, it is were you live that you learn good or bad habits, very interesting!Victor |
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| 01 Sep 2007 05:22 |
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Hello Victor
I am not trying to make any observation of any thought, just entering those Funny / irritating / Loving / Odd / mischievous / things you find on the Web, If you like it say so, And if you don't say so.
The good in the Romany will outweigh the bad, Most Romany Families live their Lives in harmony with the people around them, Those people from the outside? Live in a miscomprehension of the true Romany way and believe what they read in the press, Thank you for your reply,
Heres another Snippit
'Gypsy Caravan'
By Jolie Williamson
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Friday, August 31, 2007
A little bit concert film, a little bit slice-of-life, "Gypsy Caravan" chronicles five Romani bands from four countries as they tour North America together, bonding through music and shared history.
The Rom -- known often pejoratively as "gypsies" -- are said to have spread across Europe from India a thousand years ago. And as singers and dancers from India, Macedonia, Romania and Spain come together for a concert tour in 2001, they're only mi'dly surprised at how well their musical styles mesh.
The filmmakers here do more than just follow the artists as they tour -- audiences see each set of performers in their home villages as well, adding a sharp contrast to the performers' identities as world travelers.
In the film, we see an elderly violin player -- confident and proud onstage, lonely when reflecting on his age and status as a widower -- as the breadwinner for his entire family, including a large brood of grandchildren. The Macedonian folk singer Esma has a 45-year history of singing -- and the audience is treated to a decades-old film clip of her performing -- looking as chic and modern as a 1960s film starlet with an equally hip backup band. An Indian dancer dresses in drag for the "knee dance," which he claims just two people in the world can do, and another Indian performer tries out a mock-Flamenco dance after watching a Spanish Romani perform. Johnny Depp appears to lavish praise upon the Romanian violinists, with whom he shared a trailer during his work on the film "The Man Who Cried."
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| 01 Sep 2007 06:40 |
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| Concern over Gypsies using the Human Rights Act to prolong their unauthorised camps is misplaced. Article 8 allows planning inspectors to take into account the interests of the settled community. According to Donald Kenrick, a planning advocate, there has only been one case in Britain where a council approved a site because it believed it was obliged to under human rights law. |
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| 01 Sep 2007 12:39 |
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| Fuller. I am enjoying reading your posts. thank you for taking the time to write and post them. please keep them coming. |
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| 02 Sep 2007 13:50 |
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Thanks for the support, Its Needed.
I don't have to type them out i just copy and post, If i find something interesting then perhaps it will be interesting to others, So i Past it..... Thanks:
And Now a Good One.
Romany Gypsy boy celebrates award
The Try Angle Awards recognise the achievements of young people
A Romany Gypsy teenager who raised awareness about his lifestyle and culture after being bullied at school has won a community award for his work.
Blue Jones, 14, who lives in Fordwich, near Canterbury, Kent, suffered a fractured skull during one attack by bullies on a playing field.
But he drew on his traumatic experience by setting up a Romany Gypsy youth club at his school.
Blue's efforts were recognised by the Try Angle Awards.
He said the bullying at his school started with name-calling, spitting and hair-pulling, but then developed into pushing, punching and worse.
'Sad feeling'
"I've been through hell and I wanted to live in peace," he said.
"I wanted every other Gypsy or Irish Traveller or minority person to be proud of who they are.
"I decided that things had to change so I set up the youth club, for people to learn about our own culture and ancestors, and it's been a great success."
Blue also now works with Kent Police and the county council on Romany Gypsy issues.
"It gives me a sad feeling that it took me getting beaten up for it to happen - but the satisfaction I've got from all this stuff I've achieved is hard to put into words," he said.
Kushti bok to Blue.
Mr Snippits, Well why not
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| 02 Sep 2007 13:58 |
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A little information
My great-grandfather Ted Goodman was born to a Romany family who had been travelling around the country in their vardo (caravan). At some point after his birth in 1904 they decided to settle in New Bradwell, Bucks where they lived in the caravan and started up a scrap metal and horse-dealing business.
Teds parents were Reservoi Smith and Thomas Edward Goodman. Thomas had been born in Blunham, Beds in 1873 to a Butcher/Publicans family and went away with the gypsies after meeting Reservoi and marrying her in Bedford in 1873.
Reservoi Smith was a full Romany travelling gypsy who was born in Forsters Booth in Bucks in 1873. Its been said that she was named Reservoir after being born near a reservoir but the name Rizavoi is actually a true Romany name and it's therefore more likely that she was named after other Romany ancestors and the reservoir story has been made up by descendants over the years.
Reservoi's parents were Shadrach "Shady" Smith, born in around 1840 and Emily Loveridge, another Romany. Shadrachs family are thought to have had a travelling circuit which included Bucks, Northants, Oxon, Beds, Yorks, Gloucs, Worcs and Warks. Emily Loveridge also belonged to a travelling family who had many ties to Worcs and Northants. Towcester in Northants seems to have been a popular stopping-off place and it was here that Shadrach and Emily married in 1866.
Their children, including Reservoi were born around the Bucks and Northants area. They were Isabella (1864), Wisdom (1869), Reservoi (1873), Mary (1874), Shadrack (1878), Sammy (1881) and Emily (1885).
It's believed that Reservoirs father Shadrach Smith was actually registered as John Shadrach Smith, after his father John Smith. John was married to Ann (or Nanny) Byles. Nanny was probably born in Worcestershire and legend has it that she lived to be over 100. Their other children, siblings to Shadrach were Sid, Mary, Rizavoi, Nathan, and Wisdom.
Website “http://www.sarah-henson.co.uk/names/smith.htm”
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| 02 Sep 2007 14:20 |
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Now just a Little Snippit, You What... Weeell:
26.11.03: THE PRIDE OF THE ROMANIES By Joe Longthorne:
Joe is extremely proud of his Romany ancestry. "If everything ended in showbusiness for me, I could easily go back to the traditional Romany life tomorrow without any problem. I love the independence and simplicity of the life; the free spirit. Yet, by being in showbusiness, I suppose I am carrying on the Romany lifetstyle in a modern way, travelling the world performing. They do say that all entertainers are gypsies!".
"Romanies love to travel. It's in their blood...and they are all showmen in their own way, in whatever they choose to do with their life. It's something you cannot be taught; it's instinct, a feeling. What I am doing on stage is being true to those traditions. To use a Romany expression, I'm duckering; I am giving myself to my audience, selling myself and my 'wares' If you like, and that's something that has been with me all my life...it's inbred. It's a natural feeling".
The Romany traditions extend further. Joe can speak fluent Romany (or cant) and is an expert in the universal language of the gypsies.
"I can speak cant or Romany and converse quite freely with other Romany people," he admits. "Although there is one language, there are many different dialects and variations of words. People from the North of England speak a different form of Romany to those in the South - different words mean different things. Speaking Romany is something we are taught at an early age along with the native tongue of the country we live in." Interestingly enough, several Romany words have found their way into the English language and are in everyday use today, the most common being the word 'dad'. Romanies can communicate with each other no matter where they come from.
IRISH TINKERS
"My Romany roots are very deep" Joe adds, "and I'm fascinated to find out more about my family background. We go back a long way, I do know that the family is descended from Irish tinkers, from my mother and father's side. Indeed, 'Longthorne' is an Irish name and my mother's maiden name, 'Geraghty' also hails from Ireland. So the Irish connection is very strong. They do say that gypsy people originated in India and travelled the world for many, many years settling throughout Europe by the mid 15th Century. When they first arrived on the continent, legend has it that they called themselves 'Egyptians', which was later shortened to 'gypsies'. It was only as recently as this century, however, that Romanies ventured into North and South America and then into Australia".
"My parents own families come over from Ireland to England many years ago and both my mother and father were born here. They were very young when they married."
FORTUNE TELLER
"The family were travelling folk who toured the country in trailers, eking out a living for themselves. My parents visited race meetings, festivals and fairgrounds where my father would pitch his sideshows and sell his wares. My mother used to sing and entertain the punters and later became one of the famous Carroll Levis discoveries. She was good, very good indeed. My great-grandmother, Lena Wilson who travelled with them told fortunes. So it was a working family. Just before the Second World War, however, like many other Romany families, they settled down and chose Yorkshire to make their home. Although they moved out of trailers and into houses (or to use the Romany word 'kens'), they never desserted their traditional Romany culture and values. All the children were brought up and schooled in this way. Once a Romany, always a Romany! All that changed was the roof over their heads. In the summer they were back on the road travelling. The wanderlust was as strong as ever".
SCHOOLING
"I had a very stable background even though I went to eight different schools because of our travelling. Schooling, however was not as important to me as the education I received from the family. Here I was taught about Romany culture and tradition; the history and ancestry. The family's opinions and Romany philosophy on life was of far more value to me than anything I learned in the classroom".
BOW-TOPPED WAGONS
"My father was a great showman and a terrific salesman. He still is...it's a Romany trait. He was good with horses too and at one time traded in them. We kept horses for many years. Gypsies are renowned horsemen and traders because over the years they have needed to be. Their horses earned them a shilling or two in many ways. In the early days, they pulled the bow-topped wagons and incidentally, authentic full-stock gypsies who still travel the road today in bow-tops, pulled by horses, are known as black-faced Romanies."
PRIZE FIGHTER
"Before the advent of veterinary medicines, many farmers looked to gypsy livestock dealers and herdsmen for advice on animal welfare. Gypsies were the farmers' friends. They worked on the land; and with the animals. They helped with the harvesting; and repaired fences and barns during the various seasons and then moved on. Gypsies have also found employment as mechanics, builders, brick-layers and roadworkers. They have moved into travelling circuses and fairs. My uncle, 'Tug' Wilson, was a great prize-fighting boxer who worked the fairgrounds for many years".
As Joe is quick to point out, Romany gypsies have been much maligned throughout history...mainly because they have refused to compromise their culture and traditions, and to conform to society. They are fiercly independent and many people find their ways hard to understand.
STORY-TELLERS
"True Romanies are great story-tellers and superb psycologists. They have great patience and can sit down and talk to people and try and ease their problems. They are very good counsellors".
"Entertainment has always played a major part in Romany life. We are all entertainers. Gypsies had to make their own entertainment through the ages and through necessity, great musicians, great performers and great singers emerged".
"I first started singing when I was very young. It was a natural thing to do. It was in my blood and I would entertain anyone who would listen to me. I used to busk on the streets before finally breaking into showbusiness proffessionally. All the time, I was using my Romany instincts for 'duckering' to help me...my roots are never far away."
Anybody got any info on this guy.
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| 02 Sep 2007 14:30 |
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"They hang the man
And flog the woman
Who steal the goose
From off the common
But leave the greater
Villains loose
Who steal the common
From the goose."
Poem of protest 1764
This comes from the Shirley Collins Website:… “http://www.shirleycollins.co.uk/romany.htm”
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| 03 Sep 2007 17:47 |
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| Mr. Snippits, you must understand that we the Roma/Gypsy are minority in this world of ours,anything unsual that happend, I mean in a bad sence, hurts our comunity every where, so why not say something good about us, we have sufferd enough through out these centuries, be helpfull, and may God help you on your job! your friend Victor |
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Aid group denounces evacuations of Gypsy camps before Rugby World Cup
The Associated PressPublished: September 3, 2007
PARIS: A Paris-based aid group on Monday accused the French government of trying to hide the misery of Gypsy camps by evacuating several shantytowns ahead of the Rugby World Cup.
Medecins du Monde, or Doctors of the World, cited two recent cases of authorities evacuating camps inhabited by Gypsies, also known as Roma, in the run-up to the international tournament that starts Friday and runs through Oct. 20.
Some 400 Roma were forced to leave a site in Saint-Denis, north of Paris, on Aug. 28, and 80 others were evacuated Wednesday from a camp in Venissieux, near the central city of Lyon, Doctors of the World said. World Cup matches will take place in Saint-Denis and in Lyon, among other French cities.
The aid group said the operations disrupted its work in the camps, including caring for mothers and babies as well as fighting tuberculosis.
"On the eve of the Rugby World Cup, the government seems to want to hide the misery of the Roma by systematically evacuating Roma camps," Doctors of the World said.
A spokesman for the Interior Ministry said the decision to evacuate camps came from local officials and not the central government.
French President Nicolas Sarkozy, elected in May, often came under fire from human rights groups for ordering Roma camps evacuated while he was interior minister.
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| 04 Sep 2007 16:22 |
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| Thank God there are still institutions that are worried about our Roma/Gypsies like the world doctors, slowly but surely I am loosing faith in the human rights organisation, it seems that they are only there when there is a lot of publicity for them, but in Practice they seem to avoid the Roma/Gypsy problem, I perfectly know that in the Balkans we have a lot of discrimination,and trouble, but in France. I personally was there in the late eighties, and I saw with my own eyes how the Roma/Gypsies were living, we even had, or have a Church there, and the Roma were all living like a middle class French men, doing business,and also fortune telling, and many other activities, so mr. Sarkozy also puts a blind eye as far as Roma/Gypsies are conserned, we must organize and send lettrs to the U.N. to that south Korean that was elected recently, as the head of the U.N. maybe he might do something about this shamless act of France. Victor |
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| 04 Sep 2007 16:56 |
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| Dear Joe I was very moved by the story which I read, because it is very similar to mine, I am also a musician,or was! because I am ritierd now, but what you have said it is very true, although I never was a traveler, butI was forced to run away from civil wars,in China and there is were I became a musician, an actor, anything, you name it, to survive, I wrote a book abour it, the name is Memories of a Gypsy, I have my site here on folki journey, and I wrote some short stories, just click on Memories of a Gypsy you will find them you are right we have the music in our blood, not to mention about traveling and about the language, it does not really matters, if it is a little diffrent, what matters that once upon a time we all the Roma/Gysies were one people one spirit and who knows may be one country, write me Joe I consider you my new found friend, may God Bless you and your people |
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| 05 Sep 2007 04:42 |
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Know matter what we are, full blood, half blood, or just part blood, That Romany is within us, The Romany are a people in their own right,
And by that right they should be recognised as a separate people with there own traditions and customs.
To do that the Romany should inform people of their traditions, maybe by putting on demonstrations of the way of Romany? At fairs and other occasions by getting it across that we are not a mysterious hidden people to be frightened of, and that we are just like any other people just trying to live our lives in the tradition that we have inherited from our past families, a tradition we the Romany are proud of, And that this is who we are.
And that we are not in the main a disrespectful people,
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| 05 Sep 2007 04:48 |
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UNESCO meeting on education for Roma children
©Matéo Maximoff
Education for Roma children will be the focus of a meeting organized by UNESCO and the Council of Europe on 10 and 11 September at UNESCO Headquarters. Entitled “Towards quality education for Roma children: transition from early childhood to primary education”, the meeting will bring together experts – representatives of education ministries, members of international and regional organizations, academics, researchers and civil society stakeholders – from fifteen European countries.
The educational level of the Roma population, which suffers from poverty, unemployment and discrimination, is generally much lower than the average. In Europe, for instance, as much as 50% of Roma children fail to complete primary school. In Central and Eastern Europe, 50% to 80% of Roma children enrolled in school are still systematically routed into “special schools” established in the 1950s and 1960s for children with learning disabilities (Source: Council of Europe, 2006).
They are also under-represented in pre-primary school. For example, in Bulgaria and Romania where three-quarters of children participate in preschool education, only 16% and 17% respectively of Roma children are enrolled in this level (Source: UNICEF, 2007). And as shown in the 2007 Education for All Global Monitoring Report, “Strong Foundations”, published by UNESCO, the most vulnerable children who would benefit the most from early childhood educational programmes, are also those least likely to have access to them.
The meeting will make it possible to identify key issues in education for Roma children and to review effective strategies to promote their access to schooling. It is organized within the framework of UNESCO’s activities related to education of children in difficult circumstances. Expansion of early childhood care and education is the first of the six goals adopted by the international community at the World Education Forum in Dakar (Senegal) in 2000. The meeting is also part of a wider Council of Europe project, “The Education of Roma children in Europe”.
Meeting: 10 and 11 September at UNESCO, 7 place de Fontenoy, Paris (Room VIII, level -1)
Journalists who wish to attend must obtain accreditation.
Source:UNESCO
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| 05 Sep 2007 04:54 |
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Circus-Gypsy-Folk from Amanda Jayne's debut "Swoon" (Whatabout Music, Sept. 25)
I knew I'd write up the debut release by Amanda Jayne as soon as I heard the stumbling start and solo accordion of her song "Stupid For Your Love". The first two minutes of the song sound like a rough mix demo, but by the end as more instruments and a back beat are added to the mix, it ends up as a perfectly eclectic little pop tune.
Amanda Jayne's bio reads like the script for the film Once. While traveling the world seven years ago she stopped for a while to busk on the streets of Barcelona. While there, the traveling gypsy/folk/circus group Dumbala Canalla asked her to join their troop. Now seven years later she has readied her debut solo record Swoon (she continues to perform with Dumbala Canalla). From the samples I've heard it's full of gypsy influenced music, but inspired by American artists like Tom Waits and Ani DiFranco. Here's the probable single, "Stupid For Your Love", plus a lovely instrumental number. Swoon will be available September 25th at all your standard digital outlets, as well as directly from Amanda Jayne's Barcelona based label
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| 05 Sep 2007 11:07 |
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| Iwas so happy to hear from you that UNESCO, is tring to do some thing about our children in need , to educate them,but there must be a lot more to be done for our people, especialy in Romania, Kosovo etc,the EUROPEAN Roma/Gypssies, in general are suffering this must be told to the world leaders ,so that they may contact those goverments, who practice,these unti human,ways of all kind, they must put a stop to this immidiatly, or be kiicked out of the E.U for all this miss conduct of human rights, law. Victor |
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| 06 Sep 2007 03:56 |
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Gypsy lessons at schools
Gallery School students in Bourne will be taught about Gypsy and Traveller communities as part of a £4,000 county council scheme to raise awareness about these groups among 14-19 year olds.
All secondary schools in Lincolnshire will be visited by Lisa Carroll - a member of the Lincolnshire Youth Cabinet who is also part of a Gypsy community.
She said: "I hope to make a difference and build a positive image of my community. If 10 students out of each class change any prejudiced views they may have of Travellers and Gypsies, that means a success for me."
Her tour is a part of wider initiative to promote unrestricted access and inclusion of Gypsies and Travellers in mainstream education.
Councillor Christine Talbot said: "We recognise the need to tell young people about Traveller and Gypsy communities because it will help build positive relationships.
"Lisa's presentation will help tackle any prejudiced and negative views of these minority groups, and build understanding and familiarity instead."
The council estimates that 600 school aged Traveller children live in the county at four official and over 60 unofficial sites.
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| Mr.Snippits, once again you surprise with good news of our people, about trying to stop Discrimination in schools, in England, I have written time and time again, that to have sucsess in life is via education, but some Roma/Gypsies, just keep saying that they are survivers, and that they don't need the ways of gorges, because they want to live as their parents lived once upon a time, I understand their feelings, but times has changed and the right way is to change with it, I want your opinion, Victor, |
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| Once again you give me good news, about the meetings of the 10 and 11 September at UNESCO 7 place de Fontenoy,Paris, for the Education of Roma children in Europe, but one thing I think is wrong,they should let Journalists, to assist the meeting, the more journalists the better, the whole wide world should know about these meetings, recently I have heard from an unknown source that in Paris 500,Roma families were displaced to give way to the world championship of Rugby, can this happen in France? your guess is as good as mine, and to finish this conversation I was invited in Beunos Airos by the worlds Roma/Gypsy conference, and many other foreign organs, that deal only for Roma/Gypsy situation around the world, they have picked me, as a delegate to explain to them the situation of the Roma in Brazil,this will happen on the 25 to 28 of September, wish me luck Snippits, you are talking my language. Victor |
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