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ALIVEINFRANCE24
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| 02 Jul 2008 11:43 |
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hi i'm trying to trace my family. mom was a parker and i've got back to mark parker b1844 middlesex licenced hawker married to alice ayres 1846 her father was a licenced hawker and she was born in plextal kent.
1881 census they were living in a caravan in cheam surrey. |
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setaside
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| 04 Jul 2008 05:00 |
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| you might already know this , buti will tell you any way it might be some help,the ayres that i knew , as i said were traverling showmen, bert ayres is still based in southall midx, i think some used to wionter quaters out cheam, also family related to nichols and beech or beach, good luck from setaside |
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Gypsy hawkins
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| 29 Aug 2008 13:33 |
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| Hello, I read with interest, I have Ayres Romany blood.Alice Ayres married Mark Parker in 1865.Alice was the daughter of Henry Ayres and Olive James. |
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setaside
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| 30 Aug 2008 00:47 |
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| helo; how are you, franky ayres married a beach beech, i think but not posative, the boss when i worked for them was aunt sally(beach) she was old then 1960s, and she had the gallopers, still see it on some web sites , last time i heard of bertie ayers he was on radio 5 live doing interveiw as head of showmans guild, few years back, but know the family still based in southall, good luck setaside |
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setaside
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| 30 Aug 2008 00:47 |
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| helo; how are you, franky ayres married a beach beech, i think but not posative, the boss when i worked for them was aunt sally(beach) she was old then 1960s, and she had the gallopers, still see it on some web sites , last time i heard of bertie ayers he was on radio 5 live doing interveiw as head of showmans guild, few years back, but know the family still based in southall, good luck setaside |
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cuba
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| 31 Aug 2008 01:59 |
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Gypsy Hawkins all those names well families are mentione on the Romanygenes site ,has lots of families from the New Forest.
Including the Jack Loveland Pictures from the compound days. |
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ALIVEINFRANCE24
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| 31 Aug 2008 02:32 |
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I KNOW THAT MARK PARKER MARRIED ALICE AYRES. THE THING I CANT FIND IS THE PARENTS OF MARK PARKER? MARKS FATHER IS ALSO MARK ACCORDING TO THE 1865 WEDDING CERT.
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kilby
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| 31 Aug 2008 11:29 |
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Hello to ye all ,an hope all had good weekend, i just bin over on R.T.F.H.S. an if you go on Romany routes there all on bout Ayres, parker an Coopers, familis,
theyv,e been comin up wi all sort o old documents on em an it might be of interest to ye who,s lookin into thes people.
astonishin good luck ,an happy huntin-------kilby------ |
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Gypsy hawkins
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| 01 Sep 2008 10:26 |
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| ALIVEINFRANCE24, hello mush.I don,t think i can help you at the moment,i think we need to concentrait on some baptisms of the Parker family to determin family groups before the 1881 and 1871 census. Apart from the families on the censuses of Epsom,Surrey and your Mark and Alice,which i think you already have,then we need to look back a little further but i dont think the Parkers are on the 61 51 41 census,same as most travellers.I will be checking records we have as soon as i get chance and will keep you informed of any finds.My 2x Great Granny's brother, Andrew Smith died 1937,his wife Amy was a Parker,her dad was John Parker a traveller.They followed the fairs with their coconut shy.What a couple,what charactors,books have been written abount them.I hoped you asked about the Ayres side as i have lots on the family of your Alice . All the best, K |
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Gypsy hawkins
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| 01 Sep 2008 11:28 |
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| Cuba and kirby, thanks for your messages.I am aware of the Romanygenes site,shes done it well with all the colours red and green.My Great Granny's baptism is on there,Mary Ann Ayres daughter of Samuel and Phoebe, Hawkers,West End ,Aldershot.(1880s).I know Sue Day from that site,met her a few times.It was through me that Jack Loveland's photos first got to their Knowledge. It was me who put the RTFHS onto Jack and then Romany Roots used his work then Sue broke away from that and set up her Romygenes.Both Genes and Romany Road sites are very good and informative.I recognise a lot of the traveller baptisms and stuff on Genes from our research from over the past 15 years,but she has worked hard to sourse and find huge amounts of material.My wifes Granny was a daughter of James Green and Louisa Simith,and was baptised in Lyndhurst church in the 1880s,the entry says "Travelling through the forest".The Stanley family of my Uncle Bill's ,and my Stanley ancestors, are said to have come from the New Forest many years ago.I have heard that my Ayres/Eyres/Hares came from the forest also,this must have been over two hundred years ago.There are some Smith's that were in the forest but there is little evidence to be found about them. All best wishes,K |
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cuba
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| 01 Sep 2008 14:44 |
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| kerry the do you are doing at Selborne is it a RTFHS event? PS dp you mean Romanyroad used jack Lovelands pics first? |
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Gypsy hawkins
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| 02 Sep 2008 07:38 |
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| Cuba, Yes, the RTFHS is holding the October open day event at Selborne,but it's my baby.I suggested the venue and have organised events there,i wanted to pay for it all but the committee wanted to do that. I was the first member to be elected onto the RTFHS committee at their very first AGM, and then the first to stand down due to a busy works schedual.I believe the Rtfhs first used Jack Lovelands photos at a society day display,they thanked me for putting them onto Jack.If the others are using Mr Loveland's photos then they must have contacted him after they set their own sites up.All of us were Romany and Traveller Society members. You have got me thinking now,i will e-mail them all to get to the bottom of it.Any way i understand that Jack just wanted a place where his photos could be appreciated,and they are all very interesting.Speak to you soon,Kerry |
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cuba
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| 02 Sep 2008 08:13 |
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| Kerry thanks for the info , will try and make the event in October , |
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RomaniTisa
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| 07 Sep 2008 11:53 |
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Posted By Gypsy hawkins on 01 Sep 2008 11:28
Cuba and kirby, thanks for your messages.I am aware of the Romanygenes site,shes done it well with all the colours red and green.My Great Granny's baptism is on there,Mary Ann Ayres daughter of Samuel and Phoebe, Hawkers,West End ,Aldershot.(1880s).I know Sue Day from that site,met her a few times.It was through me that Jack Loveland's photos first got to their Knowledge. It was me who put the RTFHS onto Jack and then Romany Roots used his work then Sue broke away from that and set up her Romygenes.Both Genes and Romany Road sites are very good and informative.I recognise a lot of the traveller baptisms and stuff on Genes from our research from over the past 15 years,but she has worked hard to sourse and find huge amounts of material.My wifes Granny was a daughter of James Green and Louisa Simith,and was baptised in Lyndhurst church in the 1880s,the entry says "Travelling through the forest".The Stanley family of my Uncle Bill's ,and my Stanley ancestors, are said to have come from the New Forest many years ago.I have heard that my Ayres/Eyres/Hares came from the forest also,this must have been over two hundred years ago.There are some Smith's that were in the forest but there is little evidence to be found about them. All best wishes,K
Ares and Stanleys were in the New Forest as well as Smiths, Knights, Coopers, Coles and Collins, Ferguson, some Lees and James famillies. Most of the Stanley desendents from New Forest now live in Pompey. |
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cuba
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| 07 Sep 2008 13:19 |
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| Many families of Stanley went to the USA |
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Leahcim
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| 07 Sep 2008 14:14 |
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this is my pal hes a Stanley his gran folk came from portsmouth,him and his brothers have a real old dark look,when they was young and good black hair they looked well forien, mind you i did but gone the same way now but Stan well mad and always singing, |
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Gypsy hawkins
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| 07 Sep 2008 15:14 |
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| RomaniTisa, Hello to you.I know some of the Coopers and Coles,Lees,James and Smiths from families that once travelled the New Forest.I havn't met any of the Knights ,Collins or Furgusons from around there yet.My late Uncle Bill Stanley's father was Charles son of William Stanley.Charles married louisa Rose,daughter of Eli.I remember my uncle Bill telling me that his Grandmother Stanley was the daughter of the lord mayor of Portsmouth.The family of Charles and Louie were based near Reading,Mole Road.My uncle Bill had brothers Charlie,Libby and Henry,and sisters Clara and Louie.On some of their baptisms Charles gave his abode as a "traveller from Gosport".There are a lot of Stanleys in and around Portsmouth and they are all related as it's a very big old travelling family,they all have a Charlie or a Liberty in the family,but my Uncle Bill stayed around the Reading area where he made his money in the scap metal trade,owning his own scrap yard with a smelting device.He also told me he thought the family came from the Forest originally.I have some old newspaper reports from America that i showed my uncle once abount a William Stanley the king of the New York Gypsies,and there is a Stanley Gypsy family vault that was mentioned in the USA press. Cheers,Kerry |
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RomaniTisa
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| 08 Sep 2008 11:04 |
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| Well you have met a Collins now Kerry. My great grandmother was Mary Cole and her daughter Rosa married in to James family. My great, great grandmother Mary Coles mother in law was Alice Ann Cooper and she was born in New Forest. There are loads of Stanleys where I am living. Yeah most of the Knights went to America as did Stanleys and some of the Coopers. |
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Gypsy hawkins
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| 09 Sep 2008 05:41 |
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| RomaniTisa, how ya doing?.Nice to meet a Collins from Hampshire.Back in the 80s i used to follow the boxing careers of brothers George and tony Collins.I met a few over in Kent once and on a site up in Buckinghamshire.Is the family of Irish Traveller ancestry?.I read on these posts that the Cole's came from Irish people aswell,is that right?.I am good friends with some of the Cole family.I still get a letter here and there from a Mary Cole from Hampshire.My wife had a cousin Mary Cole,her father was a Barnrey.I have some old photos of a Ayres family,their dad was a James but they used their mothers name of Ayres.I remember Kathleen's Uncle Dan telling us about Sampson James.Kath's sister-in-law's father was a Cooper from the New Forest.Gary Cooper ,the ex British boxing champion,is her couisin.If you can make it over to this open day at Selborne,Hants, in October,Saturday 11th ,11am-4.30pm,at the village hall,then you are one of my guests and it would be good to meet you and yours.Put a few faces to all these names. Cheers,kushti bohk, Kerry |
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RomaniTisa
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| 11 Oct 2008 11:34 |
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Hi Kerry, great to meet you today. Daddy said you seemed like a propar kusti mush and was really pleased you knew of the Coles and James fam. Dad said last time he saw most of the James fam was back in 59/60 his mum just gave birth to another baby (shes got 12 children in total) and Rose James her sister wanted to surprise her and I think she brought the whole tribe along as Nan had 20 people turn up, LOL. As you know the Coles,James and Collins's fam's are massive fams and branch out in all directions and they have married in Coopers, Ayres and god knows who esle, LOL.
Anyway as I said lovely to meet ya today, where bouts you based in Hampshire you based? As you and your rawnie and welcomed round anytime for a cup of roise lee and a good rokker. You prop know more about my fam then me, LOL
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