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Demaris
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| 12 Sep 2008 05:11 |
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My partner just showed me this great surname tracker, that shows on the map where particular surnames were concentrated.
I know most Romany names in the British isles were 'hyjacked' from gorgio's or named after their professions (like wood, Cooper etc)But I have a book here written by a member of my family in the 70's (Manfri Wood) he explains that the main surname for the Romany's that descended on England all had the surname AKBAR before they split up into tribes of their own.
I traced the surname and the highest concentration of the surname is in India, good eh?
It would be good if they could develope this website to show names from periods in history.
You can find it here : www.publicprofiler.org/worldnames
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Shahnee
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| 12 Sep 2008 08:47 |
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Hello Demaris,
That link you gave is brilliant - and an eye opener.
All my family names except one (which are "hijacked" as you say) are British, U.S, and Canada - no suprise there - perhaps if i knew the original names - do you happen to know where i might go for those, per chance? And do you know if Elwood is a deviation from Woods - as my great-grandmother was an Elwood?
But my grandfather's name, De Daubney, i know came from France. Although it is a slave name (where a slave would take the owners name), there is none in the world AT ALL!!
This may confirm the evidence i have found that the remaining family members left France during the revolution and died, as per my evidence, laving only the slaves to continue the name, during the epidemics of the early 1800's. My grandfather moved from Ireland to England in 1895 and changed his name, and agian the map may indicate that other members of his family did the same or no longer remain.
My husband's father came from Slovenia and his name has the highest i saw at over 800 per million in Slovenia! Yup that's a definite confirmation, then! LOL! The other areas were Britain,U.S, and Norway - but were in the single numbers per million for all three, so this can be considered as due to emmigration, i suppose?
Anyways, thank you for that link - and i hope others try it out!
All the best to you,
Shahnee
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Demaris
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| 12 Sep 2008 09:22 |
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Its a fab site, and shows us where most of the names originated and emigrated to. My partner has an Irish name and it was interesting to see how the North of Ireland was dark blue, and so was North of America, when they all caught the ships over I suppose.
Going back to the Wood family tree, we are very lucky to have the full family tree documented by John Sampson who even though a gorgio spent much of his life travelling with them. There is no documentation to suggest that Elwood came from Wood. The tribe chose the name because they were wood turners and carvers, as did many gypsy groups (eg the coopers were coopers and the smiths were smithies).
This was great to see for our family as there were alot of deliberate mistakes on birth certificates. My great great grandfathers birth certificate states his father was someone else, but he was actually a result of a union between his mother (black Ellen) and HER blood nephew Adam, so they tended to try and cover up the interbreeding that went on.
I guess thats why it can be hard for families to trace their romany roots!
Good luck with the hunting :)) |
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valerierackly
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| 12 Sep 2008 09:54 |
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Posted By Demaris on 12 Sep 2008 09:22
Its a fab site, and shows us where most of the names originated and emigrated to. My partner has an Irish name and it was interesting to see how the North of Ireland was dark blue, and so was North of America, when they all caught the ships over I suppose.
Going back to the Wood family tree, we are very lucky to have the full family tree documented by John Sampson who even though a gorgio spent much of his life travelling with them. There is no documentation to suggest that Elwood came from Wood. The tribe chose the name because they were wood turners and carvers, as did many gypsy groups (eg the coopers were coopers and the smiths were smithies).
This was great to see for our family as there were alot of deliberate mistakes on birth certificates. My great great grandfathers birth certificate states his father was someone else, but he was actually a result of a union between his mother (black Ellen) and HER blood nephew Adam, so they tended to try and cover up the interbreeding that went on.
I guess thats why it can be hard for families to trace their romany roots!
Good luck with the hunting :))
Thats the same kinda thing thats in my grandads family, and so they wont talk about it now.. and they all had both english names and things like Grey hunter,i think from what i've been telled a lot of them had romani names and a name like john/ mary etc for the gogra's. |
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Shahnee
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| 14 Sep 2008 08:51 |
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Demaris,
Yea, you are right - it can be hard to trace the Romany roots - i'm finding that out!
Sometimes it can be a fairly well-known name, but that doesn't mean it;s easier!
Infact - i have the changing of names, often more then once in a lifetime, has made it nigh on impossible to trace some of the family!!
Frustrating - but thanks for the Good Luck - think i'm guna need! LOL!
All the best to you,
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Demaris
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| 09/12/2008 5:11 AM |
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My partner just showed me this great surname tracker, that shows on the map where particular surnames were concentrated.
I know most Romany names in the British isles were 'hyjacked' from gorgio's or named after their professions (like wood, Cooper etc)But I have a book here written by a member of my family in the 70's (Manfri Wood) he explains that the main surname for the Romany's that descended on England all had the surname AKBAR before they split up into tribes of their own.
I traced the surname and the highest concentration of the surname is in India, good eh?
It would be good if they could develope this website to show names from periods in history.
You can find it here : www.publicprofiler.org/worldnames
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Shahnee
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| 09/12/2008 8:47 AM |
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Hello Demaris,
That link you gave is brilliant - and an eye opener.
All my family names except one (which are "hijacked" as you say) are British, U.S, and Canada - no suprise there - perhaps if i knew the original names - do you happen to know where i might go for those, per chance? And do you know if Elwood is a deviation from Woods - as my great-grandmother was an Elwood?
But my grandfather's name, De Daubney, i know came from France. Although it is a slave name (where a slave would take the owners name), there is none in the world AT ALL!!
This may confirm the evidence i have found that the remaining family members left France during the revolution and died, as per my evidence, laving only the slaves to continue the name, during the epidemics of the early 1800's. My grandfather moved from Ireland to England in 1895 and changed his name, and agian the map may indicate that other members of his family did the same or no longer remain.
My husband's father came from Slovenia and his name has the highest i saw at over 800 per million in Slovenia! Yup that's a definite confirmation, then! LOL! The other areas were Britain,U.S, and Norway - but were in the single numbers per million for all three, so this can be considered as due to emmigration, i suppose?
Anyways, thank you for that link - and i hope others try it out!
All the best to you,
Shahnee
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Demaris
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| 09/12/2008 9:22 AM |
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Its a fab site, and shows us where most of the names originated and emigrated to. My partner has an Irish name and it was interesting to see how the North of Ireland was dark blue, and so was North of America, when they all caught the ships over I suppose.
Going back to the Wood family tree, we are very lucky to have the full family tree documented by John Sampson who even though a gorgio spent much of his life travelling with them. There is no documentation to suggest that Elwood came from Wood. The tribe chose the name because they were wood turners and carvers, as did many gypsy groups (eg the coopers were coopers and the smiths were smithies).
This was great to see for our family as there were alot of deliberate mistakes on birth certificates. My great great grandfathers birth certificate states his father was someone else, but he was actually a result of a union between his mother (black Ellen) and HER blood nephew Adam, so they tended to try and cover up the interbreeding that went on.
I guess thats why it can be hard for families to trace their romany roots!
Good luck with the hunting :)) |
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Posted By Demaris on 12 Sep 2008 09:22
Its a fab site, and shows us where most of the names originated and emigrated to. My partner has an Irish name and it was interesting to see how the North of Ireland was dark blue, and so was North of America, when they all caught the ships over I suppose.
Going back to the Wood family tree, we are very lucky to have the full family tree documented by John Sampson who even though a gorgio spent much of his life travelling with them. There is no documentation to suggest that Elwood came from Wood. The tribe chose the name because they were wood turners and carvers, as did many gypsy groups (eg the coopers were coopers and the smiths were smithies).
This was great to see for our family as there were alot of deliberate mistakes on birth certificates. My great great grandfathers birth certificate states his father was someone else, but he was actually a result of a union between his mother (black Ellen) and HER blood nephew Adam, so they tended to try and cover up the interbreeding that went on.
I guess thats why it can be hard for families to trace their romany roots!
Good luck with the hunting :))
Thats the same kinda thing thats in my grandads family, and so they wont talk about it now.. and they all had both english names and things like Grey hunter,i think from what i've been telled a lot of them had romani names and a name like john/ mary etc for the gogra's. |
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Shahnee
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| 09/14/2008 8:51 AM |
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Demaris,
Yea, you are right - it can be hard to trace the Romany roots - i'm finding that out!
Sometimes it can be a fairly well-known name, but that doesn't mean it;s easier!
Infact - i have the changing of names, often more then once in a lifetime, has made it nigh on impossible to trace some of the family!!
Frustrating - but thanks for the Good Luck - think i'm guna need! LOL!
All the best to you,
Shahnee |
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