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| 17 Jan 2007 07:16 |
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| iv notest on a lot' difirent romany forums lots of people or into shamonisom acult gypsy magic goddesses (as talked about on this thread) and othere types of stuff like this?
we even had some weird wizard on here till he ignord every one?
i come from what i would call a typical UK traveller gypsy upbringig were most people will say well i beleve in god or they dont!
but iv never met any gypsys with any of these other belefes apart from on the internet?
i think a lot of these people are removed from thir romany up bringig and fall into a sort of rommany magical romance with what thay think is in there heritige!
now im not diging at any one or saying whats right to worship or not!! and im not up on gypsy from over seas so i cant speak for them!
but i do wonder why this is? and has any one elss notest this? all the best bang!! |
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valerierackly
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| 17 Jan 2007 11:19 |
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Yes bang i have noticed this.
I too like you have met thousands of uk travellers, and have not met or even heard of any-body practicing these things either.
And we both know that we can be a superstisious people (not me) and even a christian spirited people or have no faith what so ever. I have met fortune tellers and those that will tell the taro card readings but thats to make a living, I never heard of one that would recomend any-body getting it done for future gain.
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matty
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| 17 Jan 2007 16:24 |
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| bang I totally agree with you all the "typical" travlers I know would give you a wide berth if you mentioned any of thewiccan or pagan stuff ,but this board is as I understand it promoting both which is fine as long as they dont put across to the average joe that english travellers are following these beliefs as they are not ,what I mean uis this board covers both so as long as they dont get intertwined its fine we can discuss ll things and obviously the people on here will choose which ones they wish to respond too and I think we all know that the younger members are different in their oppinions than the older ones having said that I like you have never met a traveller who expresses their views on the above mentioned tiopics so dont worry bang you are not alone many feel the same as you . |
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bang30
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| 17 Jan 2007 16:30 |
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yes thats what im saying '' all the gypsys i no in the UK ar christian or just beleve in god and thats it or dont think about religeon' lol
but on the internet theres loads of pagons and wiccons and othere types of pagin belefes !
i take what you say about the spain gypsys or romanys abroud!! cos as i say' i only have a idea about the UK romanys !!
but im learning more about the forin gypses more and more!! all the best!!:0) |
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matty
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| 17 Jan 2007 16:33 |
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| yes bang believe me no english traveller will have anything to-do with the pagan wiccan notion take it from a tacho rom |
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bang30
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| 17 Jan 2007 16:38 |
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i think just think its strange matty there so many into it ??
take care...bang |
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matty
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| 17 Jan 2007 16:40 |
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| Bang remember what you see on the internet is not nessasarily what or who they are they can use all means and ways to get at you |
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bang30
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| 17 Jan 2007 16:55 |
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i feel a group hug coming on lol   |
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bang30
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| 17 Jan 2007 17:02 |
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i dont doubt it lol!! but i wouldnt fancy your poor old grandads job lol '' but that is what they ust to do lol
i do it now but only in the stable lol!! i just leave it on the road ' it makes the tarmack thiker lol
i must admit i dont like tarat cards!! im trashed of them !! and i think playing cards are unlucky!! i wouldnt have them in the place lol all the best..bang |
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bang30
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| 17 Jan 2007 17:05 |
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| ps..i dont like weejy bords eithere !! i couldnt play one cos id never sleep lol'
right im off to feed the horses!
speak to you all soon!! :0) |
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matty
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| 17 Jan 2007 17:07 |
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| that is the point though isenty it you are you because of the way you are not because your Romany? |
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matty
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| 17 Jan 2007 17:20 |
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| Yep I agree ! |
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valerierackly
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| 17 Jan 2007 20:36 |
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| my granny and grandad sold manure and charms for a living, my granny went out dukkering as well but none of my family truely practice occult things. they're catholics and have a respect for God. they're not what the bible says is christian but in there own way, They have respect for the catholic priests teaching, they are a bit superstitios but my preacher says that the catholic and suprstitions that our romani's live by are practiced all over the world, where-ever theres catholic's. |
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bang30
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| 17 Jan 2007 20:47 |
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hi valarie
i was out calling with this other lad and he called this shop and came out with a weeja bord and tarit cards!!
i said get them out the van! but after a lot of going on' the dinler got his way and we took the set home!!
he open'd it up in the tralier and started messing with it' then all of a sudden all the lights whent out !!
we was trashed to death! when we looked out side the electric box was up in flames!!
the full camp was black out and we had to get the firbrigade!
i told the dinler to burn the unlucky thing but he was to trashed lol' so we got in the van and drove off about 3 milles and chucked it away!!
and thats a true story!! i dont think its right to mess with such things' ..better left alone
all the best...bang |
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valerierackly
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| 17 Jan 2007 20:57 |
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oh bangyou do make me laugh.lol
That'll show you for messing with the devil.LOL
like it says from God don't mess with it all, even God chucked him out for trying to fool people into thinking its all a bit of fun.
make sure you say your prayers you divvi , dont be messing with it its not worth it.
I'd better be praying for you as well. I'll never get to sleep tonight with you's.
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bang30
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| 18 Jan 2007 10:39 |
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| morning poka
so when your very old and if you get ill' and your on your way out' so to speak lol' would you ask zee for help? or just lay and take it?
my family are a mix realy some are strong belevers and some are like my self i get on with life but i do like too think theres a god and jessus'
i dont like bible bashers that hammer ya with religeon but its hard not to sound like that when we talk on the net lol'
in many many years to come if i pop my clogs !! not that i what to think of that right now lol'..
its better to have a little hope your going somewere and it gives your family some hope to see you again ' rathere than ' just going and flotting of in the trees some were lol'
hope your ok ..bang!
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bang30
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| 18 Jan 2007 14:22 |
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| so how come loads of gypsys on the internet have pagon wiccon spiritual belefes and people in the gypsy comunity dosent?
never mind lol!! i think its a fantasy thing
all the best bang!!
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matty
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| 20 Jan 2007 18:37 |
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| Hi all can any one tell me why that when I look on sites about Pagans or in fact some of the sites that some are involved in and I looked as theres been a fair bit of chat lately about the subject .why is it that the sites seem to all have a "dark gothic "look and quite often links to rather dubious "dark"and sometime macabre sites? it would seem to conradict the message that spiritual and shamanic ideas are love and light just wondered as I am trying to understand the difference and to learn of other folks understandings and beliefs Matty. |
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valerierackly
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| 22 Jan 2007 17:03 |
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| The Holy Bible tells us of this.
And we are told to use our self discipline and to test the spirits, hold on to every kind of good, and avoiding all evil. |
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| 29 Jan 2007 17:14 |
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Bang! How's it going? I want to ask you a question: What is your definition of Pagan and Wiccan?
And in regards to the posts posted, very good insights. I had a different experience... when I started to see what Romanies on the internet were like, I didn't find many spiritually minded ones. The ones that I did find had a Islam, Protestant or Catholic background. Now, are any of these beliefs Romani spirituality per se? I would say no. They are Eastern and Western Gadje beliefs. In all the histories of these world religions, I don't see any Romani influence - correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm married to an Irish Traveller (Lacy Clan - they go by other clan names, but my wife only wants to share the Lacy name) who are intermarried to the Rumnichel Clan of Romania. I'm also deeply associated with the Mihalascu Clan of Romania. All of these Clans have nothing to do with Islam, Protestantism, or Catholicism. It is the same with my Clan, except for my mother who became the first generation Christian in our Clan.
The spiritual beliefs that we follow cannot be described as paganism or wiccan. They are, however, described as the Old Ways. That is what we call it, and our "Old Ways" may be different to other Old Ways which Gadje or other Romanies believe.
It is very true that the Romanies who are followers of the Old Ways are very rare amongst the Romanies, since most Romanies have integrated into some form of modern religion, or simply become humanistic. But to say that Romanies don't follow the Old Ways would be erroneous.
I think that we can get too caught up at being "Roma", and we have made up our own unwritten guidelines who and how Roma should act like, look like, talk like and so forth. But Roma are spread all over the world, and if anyone thinks that they are all the same, then that is a bigot and fascist mentality which I try to avoid.
I hear people saying, I'm tatcho Rom so I know what Roma should be like. If you are tatcho Rom, good for you! But let us not make assumptions that just because we are tatcho Rom our way is better than anyone elses. The diversity and variety of the Romani people is something to be embraced. I think we need to heal our differences before we can expect Gadje to accept our differences.
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