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| 17 Jan 2007 07:16 |
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| iv notest on a lot' difirent romany forums lots of people or into shamonisom acult gypsy magic goddesses (as talked about on this thread) and othere types of stuff like this?
we even had some weird wizard on here till he ignord every one?
i come from what i would call a typical UK traveller gypsy upbringig were most people will say well i beleve in god or they dont!
but iv never met any gypsys with any of these other belefes apart from on the internet?
i think a lot of these people are removed from thir romany up bringig and fall into a sort of rommany magical romance with what thay think is in there heritige!
now im not diging at any one or saying whats right to worship or not!! and im not up on gypsy from over seas so i cant speak for them!
but i do wonder why this is? and has any one elss notest this? all the best bang!! |
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| 17 Jan 2007 11:19 |
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Yes bang i have noticed this.
I too like you have met thousands of uk travellers, and have not met or even heard of any-body practicing these things either.
And we both know that we can be a superstisious people (not me) and even a christian spirited people or have no faith what so ever. I have met fortune tellers and those that will tell the taro card readings but thats to make a living, I never heard of one that would recomend any-body getting it done for future gain.
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bang30
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| 17 Jan 2007 16:30 |
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yes thats what im saying '' all the gypsys i no in the UK ar christian or just beleve in god and thats it or dont think about religeon' lol
but on the internet theres loads of pagons and wiccons and othere types of pagin belefes !
i take what you say about the spain gypsys or romanys abroud!! cos as i say' i only have a idea about the UK romanys !!
but im learning more about the forin gypses more and more!! all the best!!:0) |
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| 17 Jan 2007 16:38 |
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i think just think its strange matty there so many into it ??
take care...bang |
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| 17 Jan 2007 16:55 |
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| 17 Jan 2007 17:02 |
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i dont doubt it lol!! but i wouldnt fancy your poor old grandads job lol '' but that is what they ust to do lol
i do it now but only in the stable lol!! i just leave it on the road ' it makes the tarmack thiker lol
i must admit i dont like tarat cards!! im trashed of them !! and i think playing cards are unlucky!! i wouldnt have them in the place lol all the best..bang |
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| 17 Jan 2007 17:05 |
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| ps..i dont like weejy bords eithere !! i couldnt play one cos id never sleep lol'
right im off to feed the horses!
speak to you all soon!! :0) |
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| 17 Jan 2007 20:36 |
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| my granny and grandad sold manure and charms for a living, my granny went out dukkering as well but none of my family truely practice occult things. they're catholics and have a respect for God. they're not what the bible says is christian but in there own way, They have respect for the catholic priests teaching, they are a bit superstitios but my preacher says that the catholic and suprstitions that our romani's live by are practiced all over the world, where-ever theres catholic's. |
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| 17 Jan 2007 20:47 |
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hi valarie
i was out calling with this other lad and he called this shop and came out with a weeja bord and tarit cards!!
i said get them out the van! but after a lot of going on' the dinler got his way and we took the set home!!
he open'd it up in the tralier and started messing with it' then all of a sudden all the lights whent out !!
we was trashed to death! when we looked out side the electric box was up in flames!!
the full camp was black out and we had to get the firbrigade!
i told the dinler to burn the unlucky thing but he was to trashed lol' so we got in the van and drove off about 3 milles and chucked it away!!
and thats a true story!! i dont think its right to mess with such things' ..better left alone
all the best...bang |
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| 17 Jan 2007 20:57 |
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oh bangyou do make me laugh.lol
That'll show you for messing with the devil.LOL
like it says from God don't mess with it all, even God chucked him out for trying to fool people into thinking its all a bit of fun.
make sure you say your prayers you divvi , dont be messing with it its not worth it.
I'd better be praying for you as well. I'll never get to sleep tonight with you's.
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bang30
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| 18 Jan 2007 10:39 |
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| morning poka
so when your very old and if you get ill' and your on your way out' so to speak lol' would you ask zee for help? or just lay and take it?
my family are a mix realy some are strong belevers and some are like my self i get on with life but i do like too think theres a god and jessus'
i dont like bible bashers that hammer ya with religeon but its hard not to sound like that when we talk on the net lol'
in many many years to come if i pop my clogs !! not that i what to think of that right now lol'..
its better to have a little hope your going somewere and it gives your family some hope to see you again ' rathere than ' just going and flotting of in the trees some were lol'
hope your ok ..bang!
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bang30
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| 18 Jan 2007 14:22 |
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| so how come loads of gypsys on the internet have pagon wiccon spiritual belefes and people in the gypsy comunity dosent?
never mind lol!! i think its a fantasy thing
all the best bang!!
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| 22 Jan 2007 17:03 |
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| The Holy Bible tells us of this.
And we are told to use our self discipline and to test the spirits, hold on to every kind of good, and avoiding all evil. |
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| 29 Jan 2007 17:14 |
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Bang! How's it going? I want to ask you a question: What is your definition of Pagan and Wiccan?
And in regards to the posts posted, very good insights. I had a different experience... when I started to see what Romanies on the internet were like, I didn't find many spiritually minded ones. The ones that I did find had a Islam, Protestant or Catholic background. Now, are any of these beliefs Romani spirituality per se? I would say no. They are Eastern and Western Gadje beliefs. In all the histories of these world religions, I don't see any Romani influence - correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm married to an Irish Traveller (Lacy Clan - they go by other clan names, but my wife only wants to share the Lacy name) who are intermarried to the Rumnichel Clan of Romania. I'm also deeply associated with the Mihalascu Clan of Romania. All of these Clans have nothing to do with Islam, Protestantism, or Catholicism. It is the same with my Clan, except for my mother who became the first generation Christian in our Clan.
The spiritual beliefs that we follow cannot be described as paganism or wiccan. They are, however, described as the Old Ways. That is what we call it, and our "Old Ways" may be different to other Old Ways which Gadje or other Romanies believe.
It is very true that the Romanies who are followers of the Old Ways are very rare amongst the Romanies, since most Romanies have integrated into some form of modern religion, or simply become humanistic. But to say that Romanies don't follow the Old Ways would be erroneous.
I think that we can get too caught up at being "Roma", and we have made up our own unwritten guidelines who and how Roma should act like, look like, talk like and so forth. But Roma are spread all over the world, and if anyone thinks that they are all the same, then that is a bigot and fascist mentality which I try to avoid.
I hear people saying, I'm tatcho Rom so I know what Roma should be like. If you are tatcho Rom, good for you! But let us not make assumptions that just because we are tatcho Rom our way is better than anyone elses. The diversity and variety of the Romani people is something to be embraced. I think we need to heal our differences before we can expect Gadje to accept our differences.
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| 29 Jan 2007 21:05 |
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| hi shinnari..
i havent got a defonishon of pagon and wiccon cos iv never met any?.. apart from on the internet so i cant tell you much about them lol??..thats why i asked?
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but i have travelled and lived with gypses from all over the UK and im related to loads of gypses like most people on here' but like i said i cant speak for forin gypses?
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i dont beleve your so called' tacho rom are better than any one ells'' but i do beleve its good to be proud of what you are and to keep our ways that we have had for years(in the UK)''
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so i think thats why we dabat things like we do on here!..but of course' some people get offended but they shouldnt ' ( we are here to about any thing) ' but most of all we talk about gypsys
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and the people that know the most about gypses are the people that live with them and have grown up with them and is a gypsy!..
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i dont cosider my self a know all'.. thats why i asked about the wiccons and stuff?
but in the UK most gypses that are into any religeon are christein'' ..and thats about it realy?
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i think the best way to learn about gypses(in the UK) is to mix with them
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all the very best... bang.. |
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| 29 Jan 2007 21:39 |
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| ps..what do you mean the old ways ??...bang:0) |
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Shinari
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| 29 Jan 2007 23:14 |
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| I just wrote what I thought as a good response and an error occurred when I went to post it. Sigh. I'll try again bang! Thanks for your patience. |
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| 29 Jan 2007 23:16 |
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hi all.(just out of historical interest) most off the historens seem to agree on this for were gypses started(belowe)! ..so i take it baste on this' gypses was in the begining hindo? but there are thos that think gypses left with the jews out of egypt and was a type of jewish religion?..
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The early history of the Gypsies remains speculative. It is not clear whether they were a pariah group living on the periphery of Indian civilization, were members of one or more Hindu castes, or represented a number of different social classes and tribal groups. They apparently left their original homeland in northwestern India in several waves, beginning as early as the 5th century. The most important migrations, however, began in the 11th century as the result of Muslim invasions of India. The Gypsies initially traveled westward across Iran into Asia Minor and the Byzantine Empire; from there the majority proceeded into Europe by way of Greece during the early 14th century. Their route into Europe can be traced by vocabulary borrowings found in European Gypsy dialects, all of which contain words from such languages as Persian, Kurdish, and Greek. After a sojourn of about 100 years in Greece, the Gypsies spread all over Europe. By the early 16th century they had reached the most distant areas of the continent, including Russia, Scandinavia, the British Isles, and Spain |
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Shinari
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| 29 Jan 2007 23:30 |
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Ok, attempt numbe two.
Thanks for being so civil and courteous in your response bang. I really appreciate it. I will try and be straight to the point with this post, so please ask questions if I don't explain fully!
I have studied a lot about world religions, so the following definitions are some book answers that I have recorded in my head.
A Pagan is someone who doesn't follow the God of Christianity, Judaism and Islam. And a common trait is that Pagans revere both facets of God, which is expressed in the God and the Goddess.
A Wiccan is someone who follows a very modern form of Paganism and I know of no Romani followers of the Old Ways who claim to be Wiccan.
By definition, the Old Ways does follow some elements of Paganism, in that we don't follow Christianity, because we have been following the Old Ways longer than Christianity has existed. We don't follow Judaism because that is the belief of the Jews. And we don't follow Islam, because it's not a Romani belief. This is how I explain it for now. Of course, there are many more reasons why we are followers of the Old Ways.
It is true that the Romanies who are followers of the Old Ways are in the vast minority. And from what I have seen, this can cause a problem because people assume we are trying to be like mumpli who pretend to be gypsies by following some romanticised form of Romani. This couldn't be further from the truth.
I believe it is good to be proud of ones ways! And this has also been a problem for me! Haha.
You see, not only are the Romani followers of the Old Ways in the minority, but we also strongly keep to ourselves! So here I come along, sharing my beliefs and Romanies are like, "Eh??? Who are you trying to be?" lol
As far as I know, my board (Roma Old Ways) is the only place in the internet where Romanies are sharing their Old Ways beliefs. I believe that it is important for ALL Romanies to educate the world that we are a diverse people, and what ultimately unites us is our Romani genome, rather than a specific belief.
Bang, I'm not easily offended, since I'm secure in who I am. I'm young, but old enough to know who I am and where I come from. My parents were very helpful in this. When we moved to Australia (I was eight) we (immidiate family) left all our Kumpania in Chile and it was kinda of lonely growing up away from my familia, but despite us trying to integrate into Gadje society, my parents were still able to bring me up very traditionally. It wasn't always easy, because as a child in a modern country, I thought they were being too strict, but that was only a minor childish annoyance.
I would love to continue to be educated and learn from all the Romanies around the world. And I personally love the diversity and variety, and I just find it a little disconcerting when Romanies come across with a fascist mentality.
Once again, thanks for being tatcho mishto about this Bang.
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| 30 Jan 2007 00:32 |
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| hi shinari .. first of all thanks for you reply ''... and im glad your post is starting to sound like mine lolo
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because i think its impossible to say Gipsies have been following old ways longer than there has been Christians?..
our history is so patchy to say the least''...that there is no way you could know this for sure?
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and to say Gipsies arnt jews because its the religion of the jews is also way off!!... there are Gipsies jews living in Israel now.. and Christianity was a jewish religion..Jesus and all the dispels was jews? and lots of Gipsies have been Christians for years?... the same go's for Muslims Gipsies? how can you say Moslem is not a gypsy religion? .....your sounding a bit fascist now lol
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what i would call old ways and what you would call old ways are two completely different things'
i think your old ways are in the minority because its a fantasy way of looking at Gipsies'
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'we have houses trallers and cars now!! ..we dont live in bowtop wagons with horses any more lol'' with magic powers?
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i dont mean to insult you and i certainly dont think your a trying to be lol'
i dont care what any one believes its up to them? lol ,...all the best!..bang!!
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| 01/17/2007 7:16 AM |
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| iv notest on a lot' difirent romany forums lots of people or into shamonisom acult gypsy magic goddesses (as talked about on this thread) and othere types of stuff like this?
we even had some weird wizard on here till he ignord every one?
i come from what i would call a typical UK traveller gypsy upbringig were most people will say well i beleve in god or they dont!
but iv never met any gypsys with any of these other belefes apart from on the internet?
i think a lot of these people are removed from thir romany up bringig and fall into a sort of rommany magical romance with what thay think is in there heritige!
now im not diging at any one or saying whats right to worship or not!! and im not up on gypsy from over seas so i cant speak for them!
but i do wonder why this is? and has any one elss notest this? all the best bang!! |
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| 01/17/2007 11:19 AM |
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Yes bang i have noticed this.
I too like you have met thousands of uk travellers, and have not met or even heard of any-body practicing these things either.
And we both know that we can be a superstisious people (not me) and even a christian spirited people or have no faith what so ever. I have met fortune tellers and those that will tell the taro card readings but thats to make a living, I never heard of one that would recomend any-body getting it done for future gain.
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| 01/17/2007 4:30 PM |
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yes thats what im saying '' all the gypsys i no in the UK ar christian or just beleve in god and thats it or dont think about religeon' lol
but on the internet theres loads of pagons and wiccons and othere types of pagin belefes !
i take what you say about the spain gypsys or romanys abroud!! cos as i say' i only have a idea about the UK romanys !!
but im learning more about the forin gypses more and more!! all the best!!:0) |
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| 01/17/2007 4:38 PM |
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i think just think its strange matty there so many into it ??
take care...bang |
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| 01/17/2007 4:55 PM |
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| i feel a group hug coming on lol |
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| 01/17/2007 5:02 PM |
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i dont doubt it lol!! but i wouldnt fancy your poor old grandads job lol '' but that is what they ust to do lol
i do it now but only in the stable lol!! i just leave it on the road ' it makes the tarmack thiker lol
i must admit i dont like tarat cards!! im trashed of them !! and i think playing cards are unlucky!! i wouldnt have them in the place lol all the best..bang |
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| 01/17/2007 5:05 PM |
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| ps..i dont like weejy bords eithere !! i couldnt play one cos id never sleep lol'
right im off to feed the horses!
speak to you all soon!! :0) |
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| 01/17/2007 8:36 PM |
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| my granny and grandad sold manure and charms for a living, my granny went out dukkering as well but none of my family truely practice occult things. they're catholics and have a respect for God. they're not what the bible says is christian but in there own way, They have respect for the catholic priests teaching, they are a bit superstitios but my preacher says that the catholic and suprstitions that our romani's live by are practiced all over the world, where-ever theres catholic's. |
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| 01/17/2007 8:47 PM |
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| hi valarie
i was out calling with this other lad and he called this shop and came out with a weeja bord and tarit cards!!
i said get them out the van! but after a lot of going on' the dinler got his way and we took the set home!!
he open'd it up in the tralier and started messing with it' then all of a sudden all the lights whent out !!
we was trashed to death! when we looked out side the electric box was up in flames!!
the full camp was black out and we had to get the firbrigade!
i told the dinler to burn the unlucky thing but he was to trashed lol' so we got in the van and drove off about 3 milles and chucked it away!!
and thats a true story!! i dont think its right to mess with such things' ..better left alone
all the best...bang |
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| 01/17/2007 8:57 PM |
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| oh bangyou do make me laugh.lol
That'll show you for messing with the devil.LOL
like it says from God don't mess with it all, even God chucked him out for trying to fool people into thinking its all a bit of fun.
make sure you say your prayers you divvi, dont be messing with it its not worth it.
I'd better be praying for you as well. I'll never get to sleep tonight with you's.
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| 01/18/2007 10:39 AM |
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| morning poka
so when your very old and if you get ill' and your on your way out' so to speak lol' would you ask zee for help? or just lay and take it?
my family are a mix realy some are strong belevers and some are like my self i get on with life but i do like too think theres a god and jessus'
i dont like bible bashers that hammer ya with religeon but its hard not to sound like that when we talk on the net lol'
in many many years to come if i pop my clogs !! not that i what to think of that right now lol'..
its better to have a little hope your going somewere and it gives your family some hope to see you again ' rathere than ' just going and flotting of in the trees some were lol'
hope your ok ..bang!
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| 01/18/2007 2:22 PM |
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| so how come loads of gypsys on the internet have pagon wiccon spiritual belefes and people in the gypsy comunity dosent?
never mind lol!! i think its a fantasy thing
all the best bang!!
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| 01/22/2007 5:03 PM |
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| The Holy Bible tells us of this.
And we are told to use our self discipline and to test the spirits, hold on to every kind of good, and avoiding all evil. |
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Shinari
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| 01/29/2007 5:14 PM |
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Bang! How's it going? I want to ask you a question: What is your definition of Pagan and Wiccan?
And in regards to the posts posted, very good insights. I had a different experience... when I started to see what Romanies on the internet were like, I didn't find many spiritually minded ones. The ones that I did find had a Islam, Protestant or Catholic background. Now, are any of these beliefs Romani spirituality per se? I would say no. They are Eastern and Western Gadje beliefs. In all the histories of these world religions, I don't see any Romani influence - correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm married to an Irish Traveller (Lacy Clan - they go by other clan names, but my wife only wants to share the Lacy name) who are intermarried to the Rumnichel Clan of Romania. I'm also deeply associated with the Mihalascu Clan of Romania. All of these Clans have nothing to do with Islam, Protestantism, or Catholicism. It is the same with my Clan, except for my mother who became the first generation Christian in our Clan.
The spiritual beliefs that we follow cannot be described as paganism or wiccan. They are, however, described as the Old Ways. That is what we call it, and our "Old Ways" may be different to other Old Ways which Gadje or other Romanies believe.
It is very true that the Romanies who are followers of the Old Ways are very rare amongst the Romanies, since most Romanies have integrated into some form of modern religion, or simply become humanistic. But to say that Romanies don't follow the Old Ways would be erroneous.
I think that we can get too caught up at being "Roma", and we have made up our own unwritten guidelines who and how Roma should act like, look like, talk like and so forth. But Roma are spread all over the world, and if anyone thinks that they are all the same, then that is a bigot and fascist mentality which I try to avoid.
I hear people saying, I'm tatcho Rom so I know what Roma should be like. If you are tatcho Rom, good for you! But let us not make assumptions that just because we are tatcho Rom our way is better than anyone elses. The diversity and variety of the Romani people is something to be embraced. I think we need to heal our differences before we can expect Gadje to accept our differences.
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| 01/29/2007 9:05 PM |
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| hi shinnari..
i havent got a defonishon of pagon and wiccon cos iv never met any?.. apart from on the internet so i cant tell you much about them lol??..thats why i asked?
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but i have travelled and lived with gypses from all over the UK and im related to loads of gypses like most people on here' but like i said i cant speak for forin gypses?
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i dont beleve your so called' tacho rom are better than any one ells'' but i do beleve its good to be proud of what you are and to keep our ways that we have had for years(in the UK)''
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so i think thats why we dabat things like we do on here!..but of course' some people get offended but they shouldnt ' ( we are here to about any thing) ' but most of all we talk about gypsys
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and the people that know the most about gypses are the people that live with them and have grown up with them and is a gypsy!..
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i dont cosider my self a know all'.. thats why i asked about the wiccons and stuff?
but in the UK most gypses that are into any religeon are christein'' ..and thats about it realy?
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i think the best way to learn about gypses(in the UK) is to mix with them
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all the very best... bang.. |
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| 01/29/2007 9:39 PM |
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| ps..what do you mean the old ways ??...bang:0) |
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| 01/29/2007 11:14 PM |
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| I just wrote what I thought as a good response and an error occurred when I went to post it. Sigh. I'll try again bang! Thanks for your patience. |
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| 01/29/2007 11:16 PM |
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| hi all.(just out of historical interest) most off the historens seem to agree on this for were gypses started(belowe)! ..so i take it baste on this' gypses was in the begining hindo? but there are thos that think gypses left with the jews out of egypt and was a type of jewish religion?..
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.all the best..
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The early history of the Gypsies remains speculative. It is not clear whether they were a pariah group living on the periphery of Indian civilization, were members of one or more Hindu castes, or represented a number of different social classes and tribal groups. They apparently left their original homeland in northwestern India in several waves, beginning as early as the 5th century. The most important migrations, however, began in the 11th century as the result of Muslim invasions of India. The Gypsies initially traveled westward across Iran into Asia Minor and the Byzantine Empire; from there the majority proceeded into Europe by way of Greece during the early 14th century. Their route into Europe can be traced by vocabulary borrowings found in European Gypsy dialects, all of which contain words from such languages as Persian, Kurdish, and Greek. After a sojourn of about 100 years in Greece, the Gypsies spread all over Europe. By the early 16th century they had reached the most distant areas of the continent, including Russia, Scandinavia, the British Isles, and Spain |
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Shinari
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| 01/29/2007 11:30 PM |
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Ok, attempt numbe two.
Thanks for being so civil and courteous in your response bang. I really appreciate it. I will try and be straight to the point with this post, so please ask questions if I don't explain fully!
I have studied a lot about world religions, so the following definitions are some book answers that I have recorded in my head.
A Pagan is someone who doesn't follow the God of Christianity, Judaism and Islam. And a common trait is that Pagans revere both facets of God, which is expressed in the God and the Goddess.
A Wiccan is someone who follows a very modern form of Paganism and I know of no Romani followers of the Old Ways who claim to be Wiccan.
By definition, the Old Ways does follow some elements of Paganism, in that we don't follow Christianity, because we have been following the Old Ways longer than Christianity has existed. We don't follow Judaism because that is the belief of the Jews. And we don't follow Islam, because it's not a Romani belief. This is how I explain it for now. Of course, there are many more reasons why we are followers of the Old Ways.
It is true that the Romanies who are followers of the Old Ways are in the vast minority. And from what I have seen, this can cause a problem because people assume we are trying to be like mumpli who pretend to be gypsies by following some romanticised form of Romani. This couldn't be further from the truth.
I believe it is good to be proud of ones ways! And this has also been a problem for me! Haha.
You see, not only are the Romani followers of the Old Ways in the minority, but we also strongly keep to ourselves! So here I come along, sharing my beliefs and Romanies are like, "Eh??? Who are you trying to be?" lol
As far as I know, my board (Roma Old Ways) is the only place in the internet where Romanies are sharing their Old Ways beliefs. I believe that it is important for ALL Romanies to educate the world that we are a diverse people, and what ultimately unites us is our Romani genome, rather than a specific belief.
Bang, I'm not easily offended, since I'm secure in who I am. I'm young, but old enough to know who I am and where I come from. My parents were very helpful in this. When we moved to Australia (I was eight) we (immidiate family) left all our Kumpania in Chile and it was kinda of lonely growing up away from my familia, but despite us trying to integrate into Gadje society, my parents were still able to bring me up very traditionally. It wasn't always easy, because as a child in a modern country, I thought they were being too strict, but that was only a minor childish annoyance.
I would love to continue to be educated and learn from all the Romanies around the world. And I personally love the diversity and variety, and I just find it a little disconcerting when Romanies come across with a fascist mentality.
Once again, thanks for being tatcho mishto about this Bang.
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bang30
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| 01/30/2007 12:32 AM |
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| hi shinari .. first of all thanks for you reply ''... and im glad your post is starting to sound like mine lolo
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because i think its impossible to say Gipsies have been following old ways longer than there has been Christians?..
our history is so patchy to say the least''...that there is no way you could know this for sure?
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and to say Gipsies arnt jews because its the religion of the jews is also way off!!... there are Gipsies jews living in Israel now.. and Christianity was a jewish religion..Jesus and all the dispels was jews? and lots of Gipsies have been Christians for years?... the same go's for Muslims Gipsies? how can you say Moslem is not a gypsy religion? .....your sounding a bit fascist now lol
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what i would call old ways and what you would call old ways are two completely different things'
i think your old ways are in the minority because its a fantasy way of looking at Gipsies'
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'we have houses trallers and cars now!! ..we dont live in bowtop wagons with horses any more lol'' with magic powers?
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i dont mean to insult you and i certainly dont think your a trying to be lol'
i dont care what any one believes its up to them? lol ,...all the best!..bang!!
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