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Bajan
Posts:363


15 Apr 2007 15:13  
The Samba is from Brazil and there are schools teaching children from really young... its an artform and an amazing workout too!  I bet there are videos on You Tube... try searching for something like "Carnival in Rio de Janeiro" or just "Samba dancing" and you'll see what I mean about movement, giggle.

I was lucky enough to spend about 10 days in the Sabana Grande and one morning woke up to realize a scorpion had been in the tent with me all night, holy sh...

Would love to see the Northern Lights myself.  Ya know... I met this incredible lady last summer in The Assembly Rooms in Glastonbury... for the past 50 years (she seemed in her 70's/80's) she's been hitchhiking all over the world.  She's never had a bank account or received a bill and has never claimed the dole.  Trust that whatever she needs will come her way is enough and so life has opened and unfolded that way for her.  Every day is an unknown adventure and I believe she is a gift to all of us.  When she shares her wonderful stories she becomes a little girl and her excitement and happiness filled me right up.  Imagine - she has travelled across the Sahara with the Bedouin and the Tuareg - boy do I hope to meet her again sometime soon.
Bajan
Posts:363


15 Apr 2007 18:31  
Check this out Nomadman, this post really goes under the "Weird Happenings" theme - but it relates to what we were just discussing - the Sabana Grande... I got an email today from a friend (Venezuelan) who very rarely sends emails... she sent pictures recently taken in the Sabana Grande!!!  I wanted to attach them so you could see, but the files are way too big.  What a bummer!  Everyday it seems I'm reminded there are no coincidences in life.


victor
Posts:0


15 Apr 2007 19:50  
Hi again Nomad, I do not know who told you that, south east Asia is safe, there you don't have to be afraid of bandits, but on the other hand, you must take 2 to 3 vacines, to travel there unfortunately because of the poor, they have no medic aid, and carry sicknesses with them, which might effect you, I got sick in Culcata, with Tyfoos, and nearly kicked the bucket, but again, were there is misery there is bandits etc, etc, but to see Asia is a must in a life time of any man or woman, go and see it, because we only have one life.Victor  
nomadbill
Posts:200


15 Apr 2007 20:15  
Victor, you are so right my friend, one life! Thanks for your encouragement. I think compared with some countries Asia is safe but there are still things to watch out for. There have been several westerners murdered over there in the last few years but when u consider that nearly a million brits go there every year, the odds of getting killed are longer than winning the lottery! Like you say, whereever there is poverty & sickness there will always be some that are willing to rob or worse to provide for their families. Can u really blame them? I'm not sure you can! I have had my Japanese Encephilitus and Rabies vacines already along with Polio, Diptheria, Tetanus, Hepatitus and other booster injections. Felt like a pin cushion actually, i had so many needles over a short period! I'm probably due for some boosters now, oh dear!!...... Take care, the nomad
nomadbill
Posts:200


15 Apr 2007 20:22  
Bajan, heh whats that all about then eh? You must be psychic!...... That old girl sounds great, travelling for fifty years without banks or bills. Wot a life she's had, I'll bet she has enough memories for a hundred of us 9-5ers. I'd love to meet up with her, wonder whether there's any tickets left for Glastonbury? Take care, nomad
victor
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16 Apr 2007 01:11  
Hi, Nomad, you did well in having so much injection, I mean vacines, No I do not blame those who rob to suport their families, I would have done that myself, but to kill innocent people, there is no money in this world to pay for such a crime! but unfortunately in Brazil, if you are in the wrong place, and on the wrong time some of these bandits kill for ten dollars, not for hunger, but generaly to suport their vice I mean dope, of all types, you are right when you said that out of a million people 2 or 3 get hurt, robed, or killed! this really like a lottery, I would very much liked to know are you a Gypsy or a half cast! please write me because I am very curious, Victor   
Bajan
Posts:363


16 Apr 2007 11:26  
Sorry Nomadman, but those festival tickets sold out within 1 and a half hours of going on sale; if you really wanted to go there's always the option of working some of the time.

nomadbill
Posts:200


16 Apr 2007 17:34  
Posted By Bajan on 16 Apr 2007 11:26
Sorry Nomadman, but those festival tickets sold out within 1 and a half hours of going on sale; if you really wanted to go there's always the option of working some of the time.



What kind of work would i have to do Bajan, sounds good though! Never done a festival and it is one of those things on my list of "To do's" before i die! Take care doll, nomad
nomadbill
Posts:200


16 Apr 2007 17:43  
Victor, I am mixed my friend! My fathers side are Gypsy, my great granny was a Scamp. My mothers side are Gordjas. My Great grandfather on her side used to build houses on the shore of Lake Ontario in Canada. So it's hard to tell where the wonderlust comes from, is it the Gypsy in me or does it come from mums side who moved about a bit? I'm not sure and i'm not too bothered - I just want to see the world!! I hope it does not make a difference to how you see me Victor. We lived in a caravan on my great aunt Maysies site till i was 2 but have been a house dweller since. Take care, nomad
Bajan
Posts:363


17 Apr 2007 14:00  
Oh let me tellya, the Glastonbury one is something else again... a biggie festival for sure... have a look at their official website - www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk - under "information" and then you'll see an option for jobs, there's all kinds to do.  In 2005 I helped a friend with her stall and got in free that way (lucky me).  Last summer the Sunrise Summer Solstice Festival (in Somerset as well) was really good too, but on a much smaller and in some ways nicer scale.  If you have any friends who live in Glastonbury, you might still be able to get hold of a ticket as some are kept back for those who live in town; so I've been told anyway.  Chekya lata den, Dudess Doll's being a bit naughty on the internet instead of working cause the whole bl...y office is at cricket!

nomadbill
Posts:200


17 Apr 2007 23:54  
Thanks for the link Bajan, I see that there's a chance of some tickets for resale on 29th this month, hmmm I wonder? The job front looks slim - maybe i'll try to find out who does the plumbing, then again i suppose that means dealing with them loos! Reminds me of your embarassing moment, he he! Take care, nomad
victor
Posts:0


18 Apr 2007 00:20  
My Dear friend Nomadbill, it really does not matter how many diffrent blood mixture you have, what matters for me that even if you have a drop of Gypsy blood, that makes you my race, that is how I think, the traveling side of you, I can swear that it is your Gypsy side working! because I feel the some, thank you for answering me, I would very much like to change ideas with you ! so please write me, if you want to know about the GYpsies around the world, your friend always  Victor!       
nomadbill
Posts:200


18 Apr 2007 01:16  
Victor my friend, i'm pleased that you think like that - there are some that will not accept us mixed folki. Having read some of your posts, it's clear that you have travelled about and seen a great deal of the world. I'm sure that you have great knowledge & wisdom to pass on regards our race and how we differ in various parts of this great planet, I will most certainly remain in contact, take care, your friend The Nomad!
Cj Eastwood
Posts:233


31 May 2007 21:56  
Hi All

Just jumped on to comment with regards to the Romani flag.

I guess it really comes down to an individual oppinion as to whether you respect and recognise the works of the World Romani Congress and the work it does amongst such bodies as the United Nations to gain recognision and respect for the Romani folki amongst the many other nations and people of the world?

True a vote was not put out to all the many million or so Roms around the globe as to whether they would like a flag or what they think the flag should look like as I guess this would a very major and very costly task to perform. I guess such a task is an unrealistic expectance to realistically suggest.

Many flags of the world that came into existence did not do so by design. An example of this is the British Union Jack. The Union Jack was actually designed for being flown from ships but in time and circumstance became accepted as the flag of the Uk that every body instantly knows and recognises.

The World Romani probually felt that a flag was needed for political reasons as to get identified and better acceptance as a serious ethnic group and people. It is not uncommon as most ethnic groups fighting for recognision have done the same. Take the Kurds or some of the ethnics groups within Russia such as the Tartars.

I think now that many every day Romani families and individuals have adopted the flag as their own as an object of recognision and unification.

Whether we use it as our own preferred symbol of identity or whether we try and create something different hoping others will catch on with support, we should all show some respect to how the flag came into being and to what the people behind the flag were trying to perform.

I personally feel that the flag has become too great amongst International usuage to dismiss as not being part of the Romani culture. It is flown amongst Roms of many countries including major events such as the Romani festivals in Prague or Chandighar.

All the best
Cj
victor
Posts:0


02 Jun 2007 03:58  
Mr. Eastwood,  I was against this flag business, because I thought that we neeed a land a government,  and many other things to be ricognized by the world!, I still think it is primiture for us to have a flag, because we are not united, and we have very big diffrences amongst our selves,  this will take time and money  to organize  our people,  which i think that may be in a century or so it might come true, I also think that the world today has no time or energy for us , because as you know this is a troubled world, but keep on trying, I have tried in Brazil to organize an institution for our people through the actuall government, and the government promisess,  that it will act ,  but to no avail. Victor 
Cj Eastwood
Posts:233


03 Jun 2007 21:27  
Respect to you Victor on your passion and work for the Romani folki of Brazil. I think any work towards a better future, especially for those less privaledged than ourselves deserves much encouragement.
What is the title of your book? and where do we get it from?
But Lacho
Cj
Cj Eastwood
Posts:233


06 Jun 2007 18:22  
Was it not Brazil that had all the problem with death squads in the seventies?

Apparently death squads made up mostly of police targeted and killed criminals and also homeless, beggars and street children.

Apparently the military government not just tollerated them but even showed blatent support. I have never been anywhere remotely near Brazil and have had very little contact with anything Brazilian so I can only begin to imagine the corruptness of the country.
Especially as Brazil is supposedly a democracy.

How about the Christian Romani movements in the USA, do they ever support the problems in the South Americas? I have seen Roms from the US 'life and light' in the UK. In the same way some Roms from Western Europe have provided support to Roms in Eastern Europe and the former USSR,won't it be a nice thing if Roms in the US could concentrate some support to these problems in South America?

I have known Roms from the' Life and Light' movement who have done such great tasks such as paid and supported the building of an orphanage in Romania for Romani chave.

As I'm sure we all egree, every little bit helps. Especially for those that have little way to help themselves.
victor
Posts:0


06 Jun 2007 19:10  
Dear mr. Eastwood,  I agree with you. I said in my book that only after  this globalisation movment started, that is why I called it a revalution, for the Gypsies , but unfortunately, in many countries the Gypsies still stick to there old custums, some importent custums must be held, but as I see it we must change the way the world changes everday, take India for instance, when I was there you had to take a few vacins  injections to enter their country! for being so ignorent, for not  paying attention on their hiegine, this  is just one of the success  that India enjoys today, and their life standerd has incresed drasticaly, when I was there , there were only Rich and poor, the middle class almost did not ecxist, but now the world considers India as a big power, and thier progress on almost all  merchendize, is valid through out the world, I thing we must be more educated, then and only then, we will have more recognition of the world, to fight for our rights,  I say we must thank our lucky stars,  that now we have the human rights, organisation,  but I still I think we are far from being organized as a nation,  as a etynic group yes, and yet amongst  us we are divided. Victor
Shinari
Posts:150


19 Jun 2007 14:08  
My family is involved in a lot of human rights advocacies, healing (doctors and health practicioners), and community services. Sometimes the problems seem overwhelming when you look at all the corruption around us. When I was a young adult, I used to burn out because I spend too much time trying to heal the world.

My mother taught me something that I will never forget. It changed my life. She said that the best thing I could do is help myself. To be healthy and strong, and have enough resources to live a comfortable life. Then, she said, you must help and support your family because societies are made up of families and it all starts there. And then, after I'm well, and after my family is taken care of (not just material needs but everything else too), THEN you can go and help everyone else.

What she said impacted me because, as I said, I come from a family who does a lot of community services. But my mother showed me the priorities - and they make sense to me. Some people spend a lot of time helping others and their families and homes destroy. And everything does start in the families.

To be organised as a nation, we must first have a stable, united and loving families. Children who grow up wise and intelligent. Children who learn to be open-minded, spiritual, reasonable, and effective decision makers. Because after we have all done talking about all the issues that we face, our children are the ones that will carry on after we are gone.
Shinari
Posts:150


19 Jun 2007 14:20  
http://www.mrflag.com/index.php?doc=4&pid=5764&curr=USD

For all of those folki who have been looking for a place to buy a proper Romani flag, copy and paste the above URL in your browser's address bar and check out the selection of Romani flags.
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