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RP1990
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| 29 Oct 2011 11:55 |
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| Hi there,
I myself am not a traveller, yet extremely interested in your culture and therefore have decided to write my final university essay on the identity of female gypsies. However what I wanted to write about was how the media can form stereotypes of travellers in programmes such as Gypsy wedding etc and was really looking to find out your views on the portrayal of your culture and I would be so grateful for your opinions on this topic. :) |
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victorv1
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| 29 Oct 2011 15:59 |
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Mr R.P. 1990,well once apon a times we had similar cultures, but today it is absulutly diffrent, every clan obeys it's owu culture, the old culture is almost gone and forgotten. especially In England, because in England, ther are Irish Gypsies scotish Gypsies, and also many non Gypsies have adopted our way of living, like fortune telling dealing with horses or selling anything that comes along from house to house, but one thng is still valid isour Music, and I mean typical Gypsy Music, that is also dieing away, as well as fortune telling, the old langauge has been mixid and now we have a few intelectuals who supposed to look after our affairs, and also one thing did not change much, about paying money for the bride of the father, to give aways his dahghter, to marry, what culture do we have? when we are not allowed to to schools Discrimination is on the rise and there
is nothing we can do about it, the human rights, the world community, only acts verberly when some one is killed in the colony of poor Gysies, or burn their shacks, or are expeled from one county to the other, by force, No, my friend they I mean who discriminate, will not let us to progress, so what culture do you expect from a poor Roma/ Gypsies, so this situation has divided us, we the Roma/Gypsies are the only orphans in this world
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T's gal
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| 31 Oct 2011 06:01 |
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I would agree with Victor, in the UK gypsy culture has definitely adapted and changed with the times and many of the old morals and ways have sadly been lost.
I would say it depends on whether you are writing about English or Irish gypsies as they are entirely different peoples.
Like you, I am not a traveller either, but my fiancee is an English gypsy. I however,am from a middle class family and work as a solicitor. I hate the way the media, particularly the local news, affects the way travellers are viewed within our local community. The way in which they word their articles causes residents to have very negative reactions. I do not understand why it is still acceptable for gypsies to be treated badly and yet if foreigners (i.e. Asian/Indian/Chinese) in the UK were abused in the same manner there would most definitely be police/court action. Racism towards gypsies is all too prevalent and the media only adds to it/encourages it. Tv programmes such as "Big fat Gypsy Wedding" only portray a small minority and has offended/made the situation worse for a lot of people. Please get in touch if you have any questions for your essay, I'm sure I or one of my fiancees' family will be able to help you out! |
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victorv1
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| 01 Nov 2011 17:57 |
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Dear T's gal, I am glad that you agree with me about our, that is almost vanished culture, I care for the poor Roma/Gysies, We need to fight discrimination, but unfortunately we the Gypsies I mean the Romane?/ Gypsies in EU and alse where are uneducated, and ignorent so it ia only natural that they dont care about culture, what comes first is to feed the family feed themselfs, and have a roof over their heads, but nobody cares,but instead they are brutalized, Discriminated for the rest of their lives,
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T's gal
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| 03 Nov 2011 05:43 |
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Dear Victor,
You are right that the culture is disappearing, but I do not agree that the Roma are uneducated. I think that they only appear uneducated in the eyes of non-Roma because many do not read or write or have "proper" jobs. I think that the education Roma children get is much more important. Sons are taught by their fathers from a young age. Roma children are not afraid of hard work and are skilled in knowing the ways of animals, plants and the environment around them. What non-Roma children have this education? They could not survive outside of their homes..they could not find their own food even! The media is always covering the problems with obesity. Maybe if children were brought up with a healthier, outdoor lifestyle like that of the Roma, and had more respect for their elders there would not be so many problems in society. Non-Roma have a lot they could learn I think! I have taught gorja children who do not even know where the meat in the supermarket comes from...they do not even realise pork is from a pig. It is sad that society is ending up like this.
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RP1990
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| 03 Nov 2011 08:24 |
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Hi Victor,
Your views are greatly appreciated, however I didn't want to come across ignorant to the way you live and I myself think the discrimination is hideous and obviously the media portrays yourselves in a negative light and generalises your clans into one stereotype. On the other hand I also think it's interesting how you feel towards non-travellers and perhaps a generalisation that we all are against you and discriminating you when this is not the case. This is obviously understandable and I think its the media (the news, documentaries) that has deepened the barrier between both the Roma and Non-travellers and stereotyped both sides of the communities. Would you agree?
Thanks for your reply.
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RP1990
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| 03 Nov 2011 08:39 |
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Hi Heather,
Thank you for your views, they are really appreciated. I totally agree with you in the factor that if this discrimination was aimed at ethnic minority groups such as Asian/Chinese etc then it would be handled in a much more serious and sensitive manner. This is the kind of thing I would really like to look into and I would be extremely grateful for your help. If I could write up a few interview questions and forward them to you, do you think that would be OK, anyone can answer them, because rather than just reading books on the topic I think its so much more insightful to get real up-to-date answers. Thanks for all your help so far also.
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T's gal
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| 03 Nov 2011 16:52 |
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| Hi Roxanne, course i can, that's no problem. If it helps I can probably get a couple of different family members to answer the interview questions as well as myself so you get a few different perspectives...I so remember what its like doing essays :S lol. I think you can get my email if you click on my name, but if not it is heathermac39@gmail.com. Look forward to hearing from you! x |
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victorv1
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| 03 Nov 2011 18:21 |
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| My TSgal, here I do not agree with you, you say that we are educated , but in the eyes of the Gadje we are not, well I can tell that you are right when you say that in the forest the Romany/Gypsies are better to survive then the Gadje, due to the expirience that their father taught them, but this is not education, when i say education I mean going to school, to be somebody in life that only education can give, like my children one of them my daughter Olga, she is a federal judge, my other sons are all highly educated they own their firms, because of their education, and I never thought in my wildest dreams that they could reach to such a level, Now to travel is completly another story, the families of travelers Gypsies cannot give thier children the proper way of education, how can they when they are never in one place at a time, I want my Romane/Gypsies educated to high levels this is the only way to our freedom from discrimination, your friend Victor. |
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T's gal
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| 04 Nov 2011 05:46 |
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Dear Victor
Yes, you are right, there are some things that only a school education can give.
That is wonderful that your daughter is a federal judge, you must be very proud!
What I was trying to say is that I think there should be two parts to a child's education, that of school with mathematics and other subjects to help you get a job and be somebody, but also that all children should have the additional education that the Romany have,and be taught to respect their elders and other important lessons, which I think many children do not learn anymore. I think society would be all the better for it!
I also realise that there is the problem of access to education when families travel about a lot. There definitely needs to be a solution found to this problem. Perhaps it is something we should all think about! With the internet and mobile phones maybe something could be organised in this manner to be free for all. I will definitely think on this problem :)
Heather x
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victorv1
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| 04 Nov 2011 16:14 |
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| My dear TS'gal to be educated in a school is one of the most importent thing in life especiely for our Romane/Gypsies, but, what you ment was the home school, this type of education, every family should have, good behayvior that is good manners, have respect for more elderly people, obey your parents etc, etc, you see I am Romano/Gypsy on bouth sides that is my mother is a romani woman and my father is a Romano man, that is why I say that never in my widest dreams I though that my children would be such a sucsses in life. I my self have written a few books and I am still writing for several romani web sites, such as this web site you can find my short stories here, why don't you try and read it? not to forget that am an an active activist, for my people via my PC, and I am gonna be 80 in march, what I want to say that it is never to late to learn.my books name is.{memories of a Gypsy,and the Magic power of life} your friend Victor |
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