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| 05 Aug 2008 07:32 |
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hello again all
just wanted to apologise if anyones wondering where their posts have gone, as you will be aware iv given everyone the opportunity to be disassociated from JF if they wish,
iv already received mails from some wishing for all their posts pics & articles to be removed which i am in the middle of doing right now, unfortunately if someones post starts a thread when i delete it, it also deletes the complete thread with anyone elses posts too.
theres nothing i can do about this & i am only carrying out the wishes of those concerned, looks like this might take longer than i expected so until i have finished i will leave this thread open for anyone to post & contact me on this thread with any concerns or wishes
Kushti Bok
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romaniangel
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| 05 Aug 2008 11:05 |
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Hello Michael
thankyou for letting me know will start deleting your posts when iv finished removing the members posts im in middle of doing now, pls be patient with me searching for & deleting what iv been asked to is taking time but im getting there slowly lol
& a big thankyou for your great wishes & kind words, iv always thought you was a kushti mush deep down & i do remember you once telling me you'd seen an Angel & we never did get the chance to rokker bout it did we, but maybe one day we will, your welcome to contact me on my email anytime ok ?
ok id better get back to it so much to do here rokker again soon
take care & kushti Bok
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romaniangel
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| 05 Aug 2008 15:56 |
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ok parriks Michael would you like me to write down your email addy then delete it from your post ?
well to cut a long story short i was very ill & offline quite a while, & a lot happened while i was gone which i was very angry about & decided i did'nt want to be associated with risha & this site anymore so just did'nt return, then recently i learnt that some folki needed help in getting things removed cos risha had just deserted the jank she created in my absence, so thats the reason im back now.
my nanna told me yrs ago the written word can be read many diff ways & iv noticed its tatcho over the yrs, you can mean one thing but someone else will read it a diff way to that intended, so i think maybe some folki have just read you wrong a lot of times, i personally have never seen any harm in you & often thought some have misunderstood you
aww & thanks :blush: lots o kam to you too
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romaniangel
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| 06 Aug 2008 05:18 |
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hello Michael
iv edited your previous post removing your email addy only, the rest of the posts on this thread i will leave up until im done cleaning up here, going to take a while as the list of things folki want removing is growing daily & i dont want to let anyone down if i can help it.
i think i understand what meaning your trying to get across in your writings, it is so sad there are pretenders in this world dont they realise if they were more tatcho open & honest they would be better accepted, iv found the prob with some telling lies is they have to keep on telling more to cover the previous ones.
oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive, comes to mind
but hey we live & learn in life who can & cannot be trusted, the important thing is remembering the lesson learnt & not repeating it
all the best & i will be in touch soon
Kushti Bok
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romaniangel
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| 06 Aug 2008 06:32 |
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Hello
I honestly dont know what will happen to this site, i am aware that Wylie while we were creating the site expressed concerns that if this went the same way as the previous site he may be forced to disassociate himself completely, iv yet to talk to him in depth about this.
as for myself i have not returned to run or manage here again, im here only to remove postings made by myself & those made by Risha as romaniangel & moderator to look as if by me, & remove my work & while here im giving other folki the chance to have any posts pics or work removed too cos iv been informed a few folki want things removing
i decided back in early jan 2007 not to return, cos i was very angry & disappointed at what had happened while away ill, the damage had already been done & i knew there was nothing i could do to repair it.
Risha has abandoned the site im guessing cos she did'nt know how to get out of the jank she had created & i dont know yet if Wylie will just leave her there or not yet, but i can honestly tell you Risha was not the Sole Creator as i know shes claimed, originally there was three of us not one that built this site
as for what has happened i dont need to go into details, iv already given a brief outline of just a few in my previous posting, in which i have given my email for anyone wishing to contact me privately.
thankyou for your well wishes
Kushti Bok
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romaniangel
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| 06 Aug 2008 14:24 |
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Hello all
just an update to say that as well as deleting stuff on here im also Vice Chairperson of a organisation which we just opened a site for a few months ago, we have an event this coming wkend which we are busy organising for at the moment too,
so pls everyone be patient all that has been requested to be removed will be, just that as im sure you can understand at the mo im multi tasking & busy with everything on & off here.
& cos im going to be out at the event this saturday all day i wont be online, so just wanted you all to know this does'nt mean iv abandoned you, i will be back to carry on sunday
Kushti Bok
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romaniangel
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| 07 Aug 2008 08:59 |
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hello Michael
just to let you know all your posts except those on this one thread have now been removed.
hope you are well & take care
Kushti Bok
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romaniangel
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| 07 Aug 2008 13:48 |
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hi wilsher
ok i look forward to reading your stories & poems but i prefer coffee to tea lol
parriks for the compliment & your a gent too
looks like we both moving on but thats just how it should be
oh dordi sure i just saw a dog chase that cat lol
take care
Kushti Bok n Latcho Drom
Shaz
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Shahnee
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| 11 Aug 2008 02:27 |
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Hello,
I am taking this opportunity to set the record straight regarding myself and this site.
Firstly in the latter part of 2006 I started to receive a number personnel emails from other members of JF regarding the content and posts within the site. Whilst I shared these concerns there was little that I could do personally as I had been removed as management from the site in the mid part of the same year. This removal had been instigated by Risha (despite the disapproval of shaz, the other manager).
I replied to all those who emailed me assuring them that whilst I understood and shared their concerns that as I was no longer a manager of the site and I could do little but ask them to forward their concerns to Risha. The response from many was that they had tried this previous to emailing me, and had no response.
Over time and into the early part of 2007, I received further emails and became very concerned that many were becoming disheartened with the site, as was I.
I then took the very PUBLIC step of posting a disclaimer on various public domain sites in order that all concerned knew ONCE AND FOR ALL that I was not a manager of JF, and whilst I shared their concerns I could do little about it.
This post was then posted on JF by Risha. This did not unduly concern me as I had hoped that it would engender some positive consideration and response from Risha. How nieve of me!!!
Instead Risha chose to twist the contents of this post in the following manner:
1)to insinuate that I was calling all members of JF GADGE – which I did not – I said “that the site was running in a GADJE manner” – note: the site not the members!
2)my later posts of JF were then posted trying to insinuate that I was two-faced in some manner, by continuing to post after I had posted publicly elsewhere disclaiming the site - I CONTINUED TO POST FOR 2 REASONS ONLY – this being my loyalty to those who had befriended me on this site and to inform Shaz of that which occurred within the site (as I had done since her last posting in December of 2006).
3)then posted within certain closed forums were my early posts from the old site Gypsy Forum – in order that people should think me a WANNABE – BUT THESE POSTS HAD BEEN EDITIED AND TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT OF THE FULL POSTS , BEFORE BEING PLACED THEM ON JF. (I was most cautious on the previous site to not say too much until I was certain of facts, and this was not a method of deception!)
4) Many of my posts of JF where then removed and edited, for one can only assume, underhanded reasons.
After of these posts of one kind or another where made/deleted/edited by Risha,(in some cases posing AS MODERATOR ), I was then banned from the site so that I could not respond to them.(I have recently been informed by Shaz that she had noticed the ban and removed it, and this is why I am able to now post.), and therefore could not publically defend myself, so it many have appeared to many that I was guilty, by default.
I CAN ASSURE ALL THAT WAS NOT THE CASE!!
It was at this point I then I decieded that it would be best to simply move on with my life, despite my deep concerns that many members would never know the truth.
To those who took the time to know me, thank you, you have always been within my thoughts.
To all those who may have felt deserted by myself, my apologies, but I now hope you can see that this was not the case.
I have not returned to this site as a member, and shall not post again,
My best wishes and deepest respects to all who remember me.
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sid
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| 11 Aug 2008 11:04 |
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well hello agian remebere me? i used to post on this site and the old site my name on this site was papa justify but i was banned by the lovely risha god bless her.
to cut a very long story short i could see straight thru her and i was blammed for a lot of trouble causing as was my dear friend tilly both of us where inoccent.
and one day risha banned me so i could not defend my self.
so to set thing straight.
number one.
if i hade hade a problem with any one i would have told them lots of posts where made about people but they where not made by me.
number two.
thanks to the people whom did belive me.
number three.
risha my dear risha i so hope you read this.
you banned me remebere? now look how the tables have turned.
i once said give her enough rope and she will hang her self like all dictators you where your own down fall.
do you remebere when you said you sent me that email and you never and tryed to make me look silly do you recall that?
in one of the last mails i sent to this forum asking why i hade been banned i said he who laughs last laughs the loudest.
do you recall all of what you did to us?
whoops i forgot you cant answear me as you have been banned.
i wish you no ill feelings.
what i can see is everone has said they have moved on with there lives i only hope you can do the same.
finally hello to wilsher shanee and a big thaks to romany angel xxxxxxxxxxx.
and risha i hope you find what ever it is you are looking for.
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sid
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| 11 Aug 2008 13:02 |
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oooooooooooooooo the funnest thing just happened one of my favorite songs just came on the radio it goes like this. Who’s sorry now, who’s sorry now
Whose heart is achin’ for breakin’ each vow
Who’s sad and blue, who’s cryin’ too
Just like I cried over you
Right to the end, just like a friend
I tried to warn you somehow
You had your way, now you must pay
I’m glad that you’re sorry now
Right to the end, just like a friend
I tried to warn you somehow
You had your way, now you must pay
I’m glad that you’re sorry now
whom else knows this song how about you risha you where all ways on about songs do you know this one? whoops silly me forgotten agian old scatter brains i am. you cant reply to this your banned.
o well i dont think i shall be posting agian but you never know.
thank you father god both my self and tilly lee have been proved inoccent we never caused any trouble.
when you read this tilly girl god bless you and yours.
one last thing silence is golden golden but my eyes still see hahahahaaaa music is amazing.
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sid
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| 11 Aug 2008 14:08 |
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hello agian.:D.
now then shannee i belive you got married best of luck to you both:cool:
wilsher my old fount of wisdom i all ways enjoyed your posts so much as you know:satisfied:
and all the other people whom i used to know the world seems a diffrent place now to back then.
come on lets all start talking agian its good to talk i am not saying 24 hours a day but come on time was we where all sat round talking laughing and crying togther.:laugh:.
all togther now:w00t:.
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| 11 Aug 2008 14:29 |
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| hello sid, i don't really remeber much about you. hows life treating you. |
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romaniangel
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| 11 Aug 2008 14:43 |
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hi everyone heres an update...............after having several talks with Wylie about what has happened he has now removed all admin rights Risha ever had & asked me to pass on his apologies to any he may have offended or upset including Tilly
he now realises he only ever had Rishas word on anything & regrets any actions he may have took on her word, he is a kind mush who has always had respect for us so i hope you can all forgive him as he has been misled & used by Risha just as much if not more than we have
so the site is now again as it should have been in the first place for our folki
im still cleaning up which Wylie also thanks me for & hopefully i should be finished before the week ends.
kushti bok
Shaz
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| 11 Aug 2008 19:04 |
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| Well im gob smacked to tell you all the truth, no wonder why the sites been so quite, because everyone was band that’s why, that’s unbelievable. I wrote to Wylie about 3 weeks ago to get things removed and he ask me how the site was doing well I told the poor man the truth I said its gone proper down hill and no one posts on there no more and not to waste he’s money on it, but now we all know why. Nice to see everyone back, and its all thanks to you romaniangel, good on ya mate! :0) |
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romaniangel
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| 12 Aug 2008 01:29 |
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Sid & Mary
thankyou its nice to be appreciated im just sorry i had'nt stepped in sooner things would'nt have got as bad if i had so please all i hope you accept my apologies for not being here sooner
dordi so much still to do but least i got most done now, iv also decided to delete ALL that Risha posted as i dont think anyone needs a reminder of anything wafti
kushti bok
Shaz
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Shahnee
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| 12 Aug 2008 02:21 |
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Hello All,
Well, I did say I would not post again, but I was brought up to with respectful ways, and always told to speak to others when spoken to. So as some have mentioned my name and have spoken directly to me, I cannot and will not, in all good conscience ignore these folki.
Firstly, to Sid who has spoken directly to me:
Dear Sid,
I have, and always will, hold yourself in great regard. I know that Risha tried to set us one against the other, and told untruths regarding both of us. But my “gut instinct” always told me that we were simply pawns in one of her games. I hold no malice toward you and never have done, you have always held a respected place in my mind. For any wrong doing or saying that I may have placed against you I sincerely apologise, and can only hope that you realise it was not of my doing. Yes, I was rommered some two years ago now and my anniversary has just passed (4th August), so thank you for the mention. , You do have my email so please feel free to contact me if you so wish, I wish you well and you are forever in my thoughts, Shahnee.
To Tilly, whilst you have not spoken I do hope you are reading:
Dear Tilly,
You and I have had our differences but once again these were instigated by another. Many emails apparently from myself or yourself to each other have turned out to be nothing more then contrived lies reproduced by Risha. How dinlo I felt when I realised that she had set us one against another, and that those emails we “received” from one another, were in fact copies on the same emails which she had devised. I felt even more ashamed when I remembered your parting email to myself where you warned me that not all were who they seemed and eventually I would be turned on in the same manner as you had been. I know we have spoken since, and we have agreed to leave all differences behind, as much was of Risha’s doing, but I do feel the need to publically apologise to yourself again. I wish it known that I bear you no ill will, and hope that one day we may re-establish our conversation, as I feel we have much to talk about. My best wishes and deepest respects, Shahnee.
To Wilsher, who I know has posted:
Dear Sir,
Whilst it may have appeared to some including yourself that I and Risha were “tarred with the same brush”, I can assure you we WERE AND ARE NOT!! But I do not blame nor hold you in contempt for this – it is, after all, understandable. I was duped and taken in by Risha at the beginning, but as you can plainly see from my previous post, I later discovered her true nature. So please be assured I am a respectful rawnie, and have always been so. I never turned against you or sided with Risha, thought later anonymous “editing” may have appeared to make it so. On more then one occasion I did defend you, and I was not alone in this, but all these posts mysteriously “disappeared”. I have always found you a humourous but deep thinking person, and held your wisdom, (whilst hidden in the words the meaning was clear), a refreshing change to others more sly and subtle innuendos. Do you recall that when we first met on the net , we did indeed email each other for some time, and the conversation was always stimulating and enlightening? I do appreciate if you choose not to respond to this post, but know this, I do respect you deeply and wish you well in life, Shahnee.
To Wylie,
Dear Wylie,
Thank you for all your endeavours regarding the Gypsy & Traveller communities, you have always been a staunch supporter and your heart is and always has been in the right place. I am sure I am not the only one who feels that you were not personally to blame for any of the troubles caused by Risha. You have sadly been duped like the rest of us, and as humans we learn by our mistakes. I do hope you and your family are well and that you gain all the goodness you deserve from it, Shahnee.
A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO ROMANI ANGEL:
Miri phen,
Thank you for unswerving support of me during such difficult times. For some time you were the only person who believed in me and knew me to be a true and honest person. I am eternally grateful for your friendship and love. Thank you for removing all my contributions and posts on this site, as I requested. But most of all thank you for so loyally and with such care, facilitating the needs of the members of JF, God will shine on you for all that you have done, Tiri phen, Shahnee.
I do hope this has clarified things with some members of this site, but for any others who may have concerns regarding myself, please feel free to post to me and I will respond to you. I feel this is an ideal opportunity to rectify any misunderstandings and have the truth, once and for all, out in the open.
With kam and respect, Shahnee.
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romaniangel
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| 12 Aug 2008 04:14 |
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Shahnee
your most welcome miri phen
as i already confided to you shortly after the opening of JF Risha changed totally from the person i thought she was..........behind the scenes the tatcho side began to appear in many ways............so all her many attempts to turn me against you & other folki just did'nt work & i dont think she liked the fact i could'nt be manipulated to do & think her way.
which leads me to Tilly
Tilly i hope you still read posts on here because i wish to thank you also.
do you remember the email you sent to my then msn mail account ?
in it you revealed that you knew my identity as the then Mod of this site was also romaniangel & you also knew my real nav Sharon Williams (i have no problem with folki knowing my real nav as i have nothing to hide), but what i did have a problem with was that you had got this from Risha who had no right to disclose personal info bout me or anyone...............this proved what i had already began to suspect that she could'nt be trusted.
but the thing that really alarmed me was you saying i knew the "twister" personally ?................i did intend replying to ask what & who you meant but it was shortly after this i was offline ill & by the time i got back online my msn account was no longer active so i no longer had your email to reply to, so pls dont think i was ignoring you.
what Risha did'nt reckon on was the fact that while i was offline i was being kept informed of everything she was doing on JF including posting as me by a few folki.
also shortly after your mail Risha admitted all the posts that had vanished from Gypsy Forum she originally blamed shahnee for had been deleted by herself.
this admission along with what you said confirmed what i had already began to suspect & confided in Shahnee that i thought the "twister" was Risha herself............she was very devious & clever the way she blamed you Tilly, Rose & Shahnee for things but the tatcho drom always appears in the end
much kam to all & thankyou for being patient while i clean up JF for you
kushti bok
Shaz
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Shahnee
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| 12 Aug 2008 06:23 |
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Miri phen,
I am grateful to you for mentioning the deleted GF posts and the fact that I had nothing what so ever to do with them being removed.
I feel it only prudent to mention at this point, publically, that Risha approached me (during my temporary time as Moderator of GF), on more then one occasion insisting that certain posts be removed and edited, as she personally deemed them to have a alterior meaning within them. She consistently called me “so nieve” as I was not able to view these posts in the manner she did.
Although I was only temporarly moderating that site, Shaz had correctly instructed me to remain objective and to only remove and edit those posts which were offensive or abusive. I saw no need to remove or edit the posts that so concerned Risha, as none of these posts met the criteria for removal or editing. Risha’s paranoid concerns regarding these posts led to a great deal of discourse between us and eventually I was removed as moderator and subsequently these posts were then removed or edited.
I will also publically state that it was during this removal of myself as temporary moderatior that my original msn account was “hacked” into and once I had been informed of this I closed that account. It has always seemed strange to me that immediately after the “hacking “ of my account that the specific posts that had been the cause of such discourse within the forum subsequently “disappeared”.
I know of one occasion where a conversation took place between Tilly and Shaz, as fast as they posted their responses to each other a third person removed them. This led to much anger from both the parties concerned. The only person who had the administrative powers to do this was Risha, herself.
Which brings me to my next point. The “disappearing” and “anonymous” editing of posts within JF.
On many occasions there has been deleation and editing of posts which were by an “anonymous” person with administrative powers. As Shaz was unwell, and there was no other moderator or administrator on site, this only left Risha. On more then one occasion, myself and others, privately and publically asked where our posts had gone or why they had been changed. We gained no response and it became a public joke - “lost in cyberspace” . These complaints and humourous attempts to get answers also “disappeared”, and strangely enough almost always “disappeared” as fast as they were posted.
As Risha later admitted to Shaz that the GF posts were of her doing, then I feel it safe to suggest that it were also Risha, herself, who “lost in cyberspace” etc the JF posts. As on the previous occasion, on this second occasion she was the only person able to access the administration.
I could cite many occasions on JF, and I am sure I am not the only one, where my posts have been deleted/editied to such a degree as to totally misrepresent me and my opinions and brought about much argument and discourse between myself and others. When I would try to dissipate these arguments I was deemed a “liar” or “fair weather” as my public posts did not reflect my further private discourse with those who may have been offended by the “anonymous” editor.
I have of course learnt my lesson well – AND NOW SAVE ALL POSTS I MAKE TO ANY FORUM, by this method I can safeguard myself, as I no longer trust that posts will remain in their original form.
On some occasions on JF I would also find I was “logged in” when in fact I had only just come on line! Then I would watch as “Shahnee” posted, at first this was quite bemusing and then it became apparent that who so ever was posting as myself had alterior motives for doing so. I have to say at this point that only one person who knew my password was Risha. This is because it was the same password as my previous moderator password, and she was aware of this.
On reflection, both I and Shaz had been very “nieve” in our trusting of our then passwords to Risha, but we were all in a position of trust, not only with each other but with the members of the sites we administered, so why would we not trust each other?!
I think it is safe to say that Risha abused the trust and confidence of not only the members of both sites but also of the owner, Wylie. Something which is UNFORGIVABLE!!
Hopefully with the removal of Risha’s administrative powers the concerns that all of us may have regarding posting of JF are no more. Thank you Shaz and Wylie for removing these powers and banning her, surely life on JF will be much safer and far more honest for it?!!
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sid
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| 12 Aug 2008 07:19 |
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hello.
to you all i wish the best.
first of all shahnee.
you have nothing to be sorry about. the only person who should be sorry is risha her problem with me started on the old site i have waited over two years to be proven innocent of wrong doing and its been a long time comeing.
i for one dont understand what any one would have to gain by doing such things.
i have tryed to conntect you in the past regarding this matter but give up as i was not able to find you.
i for one dont want this site to be to fall apart if that was to happen risha would have won.
so shahnee we me and you have no problem with each other.
finally risha what on earth did you ever hope to gain i know what your going thru not being able to defend your self.
the diffrence is you brought this on your self what i went thru you and only you inflicted on me and i dont think i will ever understand why.
the only person here with an agenda was you.
i pray for you god bless.
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