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Roger
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| 20 Mar 2009 12:07 |
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We are a Gypsy Shaman family. We have problem solving dreams ,thoughts & ideas. We larn from verbal teaching & many religious texts. Signs from nature, animal, ancestor guides and life experience. As shamans our job is to share knowledge, usually pyschically. We problem solve, pray and heal from a distance.That is the type of shaman we are. Also we whistle blow on injustice to us. We ain't great gurus, just ordinary gypsy folki. We believe as do most tribal groups,religious and spiritual texts that this is the age of Awakening. When magic, pyschic skills and caring become more manifest among the majority of entities. Especially Gypsies as we are already skilled in such ways. From many sources and thoughts we believe this is evolution, culminating in a world of infinitely increasing equality, balance & peace. We know Gypsies have and do suffer much ,being intimidated into denying culture& worse. However the majority of people also suffer from the same disparate bad minority. Incompetent bad apples lead others astray with their bad ways, personal or business(causing financial crisis).Most souls want & need a peaceful world for themselves. They realise this works & feels best if all good entites benefit. Bad apples must pyschologically understand they break all societies informal and some formal rules. Being disruptive,manipulative, immoral,prejudiced bullies.Then in shame they will step out of the way !! Removing a block to ethical changes in society,& the disappearence of prejudice & inequality. Despite adversity gypsy culture strengthens with its traditional old skills, helpful new ones,to enhance our excellent morals. In the future we believe people will be encouraged to put health, family loyalty & family activity before work. With most jobs local, as part of a family and from home. For Gypsies vardos & grai on the drom &kenna.World citizens, united, will celebrate a multifaith multicultural world and not abuse human, animal or the rights of the Earth. A good wage for good families all with different skills but given equal respect. First class healthcare & education free for all. We believe health, family loyalty,tradition, fidelity, honesty, a caring eco socialist attitude, religious worship,moral fun,total nuclear disarmament is more important than excess wealth. We hope our humble ideas are helpful. Kushti Bok.
Prayersfor world peace and health.Mandi & Rogey HagleyAllison
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kilby
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| 20 Mar 2009 19:03 |
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Hello Roger, i aint too sure bout what shamen things has to do wi gypsy ppl but i,m sure ya very well meanins folki , i don even now what shamens is reely, but i wishes ya all the best wi it,
how ya diddlin Lenac, don know that name , but no harm an hows ya doin , where ya from an do we know ye,s all best ----kilby---- |
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Roger
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| 21 Mar 2009 04:11 |
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Actually Shamans occur in all indiginous tribal groups and gypsy shamans are just part of that tradition. Shamanism predates Christianity by billions of years. It is thought to be the oldest religion in the world. It is really a form of paganism. Shaman believe and have experience of the Universe and all things in it having a spirit. All nature and humans being interconnected with the power to heal and communicate, to some extent. We believe all people have pyschic powers and the force of nature in them. We are not a monotheistic religion such as Christianity, and are not christians.We do not worship God, we believe in mother earth and the Gypsy Deity Mushto who is similar to Pan, or the Green man. However most religions do have the same underlying moral themes in common. Unsurprising they are similar to many cultures and organistions such as the UN and Human Rights since they are all attempts at trying to help create peaceful societies. Shamans have been part of gypsy culture since there have been gypsies although some were more known as healers, puri dai or peace krisnitori. They tend to be skilled as healers (often by thought ie prayer) spiritually ( pyschics), dowsing, and also traditionally intellectual thinkers and tribal problem solvers especially in matters such as helping to create peace and harmony for the tribe. Which could be thought as sociological and pyschological skills. However we are not highly skilled in other traditional Gypsy professions such as metal work, mechanics,arts and crafts,music, etc.
Why post on a Gypsy discussion forum ? Because our job as Gypsy Shaman is to try and help all good spirits the best way we can. We discuss our ideas with our gypsy family and friends, and other entities in society, often through pyschic means. Occasionally we post our ideas as food for thought. World peace is directly dependent on the thoughts and behaviour of every single person and entity in all universes. Societies informal rules work with formal laws to express beliefs about how to behave and will vary from group to group. However to achieve peaceful coexistence between all groups, ie world peace, all groups must plan and implement mutually acceptable and peaceful ways of thinking and behaving. Which is the basis of democracy and why talks settled the problems in Northern Ireland, and are also part of any peace plan. At whatever level interchange of ideas is the way societies evolve, and that is why we communicate, in many different ways. We agree these are just our humble ideas most of which we worked out ourselves. However they are also in accordance with many other thinkers and so called intellectuals and religious texts. That might not be good but it means the way we think is similar, and society has since cave people time endorsed such thinking and ways as helpful, if sometimes eccentric or lateral thinkers. Which does not mean we are special or better than anyone. Just that that is our skill. There are very many skills we are not brilliant at, one of which is being conscise.
Thank you for the comments and for your ideas. I hope our answer is helpful. You helped us with your ideas
Kushti bok and prayers for peace and health.
Mandi, Rogey, Hol, Rhuk, Ruth. |
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da roga
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| 21 Mar 2009 15:43 |
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There are shamans there in the Lapland far up in north. They have tent fire and drum, and darkness around for 24 hours, no sun nor morning, just the Northern lights in the sky, dancing singing and humming.
What the shamanism really mean, There is not telling, is remains of pagan ritual, and belong to the culture of native who lives in the forest alike the Lapland.
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Roger
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| 22 Mar 2009 03:34 |
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Actually in the winter months there is 3 to 4 hours daylight. Shamans vary in type and skill, from tribe to tribe and exist all over the world. Gypsies are essential a nomadic tribal culture and many shamans did live and work in forests. We prefer to work on our own or just with immediate family in what others might think of as bleak country areas far from other people. Essentially shamanic work is healing and intellectual problem solving. Shamans evolved as the thinkers of the tribe who would help solve any problems their society had. Also they were gifted at pyschic knowledge, such as where water was and food was for the tribe and how to avoid danger.Shamans often have animal shamans who work with them to provide guidance in non human knowledge. Essentially our work is distance healing, intellectual thought, problem solving and prayer, and pyschic skills which is linked with healing and the ability to know the right thing to do in life. Shamans want peace and happiness and use their experience and intellect to achieve that for themselves, their tribe and society. Since personal happiness is optimal when all society is happy.
We never work at night and the only interaction we have with anyone outside our immediate family is on a business level such as this correspondence. We only socialise within our immediate family which is our gypsy shamanic culture, how we were brought up, and what we want. Neither as shaman or people do we crave excitment and our idea of fun is shamanism or family life and good morals. Some might call us boring but we get fun from being alive, the beauty of nature, art, intellectual knowledge and family friendship and fidelity. It might be difficult for some to understand as some people assume that everyone else has the same thoughts and desires as themselves. That is not true. Study and our experience taeches us every person is unique although people within in a tribe or group often have similarities common to the group. We come from gypsies and have an innate comfortable feeling when with only our immediate family as our ancestors were, usually living apart from the tribe in forest or isolated ares where no one else wanted to go. Mystics always commune with nature in such a way . We have a empathy for all entites and really care about all society. We are peaceful to the core and love drumming, song, dance and art. However our best way of helping is at a distance, by prayer, distance healing and exchange of intellectual ideas, on a business not personal level ie as we are doing in this post. We really are not skilled or comfortable with any other lifestyle. We have had experience of other ways, and we know what we truly are !
thank you for your interesting comment and we honestly hope we have helped you understand shamanism better, as you have helped us understand society more fully.
Kind Regards.
Prayers for world peace and healing
Mandi, tatcho, Hol, Rhuk, Ruth.
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rawny
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| 22 Mar 2009 07:51 |
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| Are you a proper old romany man with a romany wife in a trailer with the pot on outside ? cos im mystified , being a full blooded romany , with no gorga in me at all and being with proper romany people all me life ,have never heard of such things , maybe among gypsys of other countrys, but over here when the men sit around the fire and tell storys , if someone mentioned something like this they have a good old laugh think it was dingler and probably wouldnt even know the word shamen . no offence |
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Roger
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| 22 Mar 2009 09:51 |
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Well, that just shows how much to learn there is in life and how complex Romany culture is. Talk to most traditional Romany and they will tell you about British gypsy chovihaunis. However they will not able to tell you in any detail. The most highly skilled religious group of any society is often a mystery to most, and will probably always be so. That is the nature of mysticism. There are many books, academic studies, and internet articles about Gypsy shaman. As we said our job is to share ideas, healing, skills and peaceful behaviour with the majority of entities via the cosmic stream of consciousness. Most entities do this but our family more than most, as our skill base. We have in the past interacted directly but have found we are most effective with no interference to our thought processes and molecular resonance. Also we suffered a lot of prejudice, as Romany's and we are changed as people.Happily that has made us more caring and peaceful, some might say religious. More comfortable with ourselves, our immediate family, Chovihauni animals and nature as our only companions. So, we are not being cold or arrogant but we will sign of now and continue information sharing by the means of cosmic consciouness and healing ourselves. We wont be posting or interacting directly but we will be working happily as shaman.
Thank you for your interesting comments and ideas.
All the very best.
Kushti Bok
Prayers for healing and world peace.
Mandi,tatcho,hol,rhuk,and Ruth |
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da roga
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| 22 Mar 2009 10:48 |
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I very agree with rawny, the so called 'shamanism', belong to the lapnander and the finn-ugrin in northen russian,I have never hear anythinh shaman like in any community or gan of gipsies.
They more are afaid of that sort of 'pengal' rituals. You should to know the afraid of gipsie that they feel agaist any spritua world. The shamanis is things of devel. |
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rawny
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| 22 Mar 2009 13:10 |
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| while that explains alot of what your into Roger, you dint realy answer my question, and i am not being offensive but you dont need to tell me about my own people . |
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rawny
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| 22 Mar 2009 13:16 |
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Posted By da roga on 22 Mar 2009 10:48
I very agree with rawny, the so called 'shamanism', belong to the lapnander and the finn-ugrin in northen russian,I have never hear anythinh shaman like in any community or gan of gipsies.
They more are afaid of that sort of 'pengal' rituals. You should to know the afraid of gipsie that they feel agaist any spritua world. The shamanis is things of devel.
your right da roga , travellers are frit of stuff like that, most of em are so supersticous about that sort of thing they wont have it mentioned in the place , you couldt say chuvion in our trailer me dad didnt like it, or to mention the beng, and if ya said the long tail word to some men they wouldnt go out hawking , supersticous they is , and dont like that sort of thing . |
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rawny
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| 22 Mar 2009 17:35 |
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| Thats A NICE VIDEO, ELVIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OF GYPSY PEOPLE WASNT HE :) |
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Leahcim
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| 22 Mar 2009 17:48 |
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| i was born seeing things,why,who knows,strange things to,evan have a Brother who saw more than me,but of all the things i saw the thruest thing i saw was when one cold day i looked up at the Cross and i saw Jesus,now the devil bewitches,he comes to make you see,he lives as the beast,is form is not of the form,look into my eyes,no one need be afraid, there is no dark there is no light,there is only truth,open your eyes ,you are born you die,i choose to die i mignt never get there but maybe to die is a great thing ,i spit in the eye that as no light evan thoe in this worled it shines so bright,its never to late,turn away from the evil eye that manafests its self in the unform,Gypsys know the truth,evan a none Gypsy |
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da roga
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| 23 Mar 2009 06:44 |
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By the way.
There is an old film, as: "I am a gipsy Im a gipsy!"
made in 1973 in Finland. There are young lads singing a song in romanes so I would ask if there is anyone to get the words in which the lads are singing on.
Anyway it’s the gipsy language they use.
http://www.yle.fi/player/player.jsp?name=El%E4v%E4+arkisto%2F06797_1
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Victor
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| 23 Mar 2009 18:18 |
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My dear Chovihauni,first I want to congratulate you of that wonderful Vidio of Elvis, yes I have also heard that he is from a Gypsy decent, and believe me I am very proud of it, simple because I am a Gypsy, but my friend this only proves that we are like every body else,if Elvis is a Gypsy decent or not, this does not make the slitest difference he was born with an ecceptional talent, this is what we Gypsies have in our blood, music, but he had more then that he was blessed by God to have such a voice, that untill today he has millions of fans and listen to his music.
Victor. |
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Leahcim
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| 24 Mar 2009 16:15 |
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| theres not much in life a man can place is trust in,people as children grow older,it is evan said once a man twise a child but take no heed of that for life is life and you can but live it,now a man shouled know who is around him,and through knowing this he knows what is around him,place your trust ,well i place my trust in know one or nothing,fight well i guess we all have our battles in life and no matter how hard you percieve your fight no one rearly listens to you,sal,there to busy fighting there own fight,but the truth of it was through this contant liveing the way of it,knowing the way of it i did one day look up at the Cross,and there was Jesus Himself,now an ole priest had been bafferling away had he had always done and me sitting there as i had always done,yet i looked up at Jesus and He spoke more in silence than a thousand words that that priest uttered,i thought to my self well after all these yeares ,there was someone i coulede trust,now people wouled find the ecscuse not to believe,there wouled be some dout in evan the most lernern of biblical shcolors,but i tell all,evan the worled that you can trust in Jesus,He will never let you down,He will always listen,judge yourself but dont seek that,people are weak,they think they see but blinded are they by there own faulse worship,people judge but they want to grow,they just dont know the truth of life,you can believe in Jesus,if i can you can,if you dont trust Him,if you dont believe in Him,well believe in me for i,m telling the truth and i never trusted a single soul in my own life,well i trusted my Mothew and loved my Farther but thats as far as it goes,but Jesus is Holy,what ever that word meens to you He as the answer,you must turn away from nonsence of devilness,people been trying thoes things for time,look how the worled is,i tell enyone dont trust no one but believe in the Word of Jesus,you wont go wrong ,you will lead a better life,you will make others feel better in them selfs,its not easy for theres badness all around,keep your fight up but know theres someone there for you when evan the strongest fall,but dont trust no one else,especialy the ones who think,for they are they |
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Leahcim
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Leahcim
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| 24 Mar 2009 17:13 |
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| Check out this Gypsy Boy |
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Leahcim
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Leahcim
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| 24 Mar 2009 17:38 |
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| now bang ya drums |
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cathayb
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| 25 Mar 2009 10:50 |
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| oh leachim i am so pleased to be your friend.you talk so wisely now my friend.its a pleasure to read what you have to say.your such a wise man.dont forget to keep putting your little gems of words on my site aswell.we need you to keep us o the right road and thinking about the truths that you so clearly explain.love cathayb |
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