RomaniTisa
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| 14 Aug 2008 12:11 |
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Hola Everyone,
I'm back, but feel abit mean about coming back after I had asked for all my prev posts and photographs to be removed!!! But I have been assured that this site has had a much needed 'spring clean' so I am back after over a year out.
Anyway nice to meet everyone athough I think I know most of you already, LOL.
Both sides of my family were travellers. My Mother's side being the Romanies that travelled around Hampshire and my fathers side being of Gitano Spanish Gypsy) and Irish traveller heritage (with links to the Cooper).
My fam have now however, been settled for many years now (long before I was born), but I would love to learn more of my beautiful heritage. My fam and I have been lucky enough to date our genealogy back to the 1770’s. If anyone esle has any information about the below names I would love to hear from you!
AYRES
Married into the Cooper fam ~ Sarah Ayres (1775)
COLLINS
Irish Traveller clan that hailed from Cork in 1800’s. The clan split (by love so it was said) in to two with half going on to Manchester and the other half staying back in Southampton, before moving to Portsmouth in Hampshire. The clan were warned that if they returned to Ireland they would be shot so they settled in UK.
COLE
Spanish gypsies that actually passed through Cork in Ireland before going to Wales in the UK and then on to the New Forest and other areas in Hampshire. My Great grandparents travelled around flogging umbrellas and dukkering. The Coles were also linked to the Haimes family and the James family. Cole means black.
COOPER
From the New Forest in Hampshire my link to the fam is through my mothers fam –the Knights who were from Gloucester and they spent time in Epping Forest and the New Forest. Also I am linked to them through my Fathers side as I am descended from Alice Anne Cooper (1885).
JAMES
Not much is known about the Gypsy James fam ~ I am still researching them. My Nana’s sister Rosa Cole Ferguson (but actually the daughter of Haimes, Mary Coles first husband, who I recently found out died in the battle of Somme) married in to them and they lived in a ‘beautiful’ vardo somewhere in the Southampton area.
KNIGHTS
New Forest/Epping Forest in Hampshire ~ travelled around with fairs with their stalls, doing dukkering and the ’shooting game’. The Knights bore mostly daughters who married into other bigger name fams (see above).
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ALIVEINFRANCE24
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| 14 Aug 2008 14:13 |
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WELCOME BACK AND LET BYGONES BE BYGONES.
AYRES ARE PART OF ME PARKER FAMILY AND I DO HAVE COOPER IN THE FAMILY. THE PROBLEM IS MY LOT DONT WONT TO TALK OR DONT KNOW ABOUT THE PAST. SLOWLY WITH THE HELP OF GOOD FRIENDS ON THESE SITES I AM GETTING IT TOGETHER.STUART. |
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Tilly's back
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| 15 Aug 2008 05:03 |
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Tisa
I know the coles to be Irish Travellers just wondering if that could be so for your relatives. The Coopers are my old grandfathers people and I live on a site with a Cooper family. I think the Kalderash (not sure of the correct spelling there, just spelling it as I say it) Romanies are the group that most Coopers and Smiths came from. I also believe the name Cooper has been derived from being 'Copper-smiths' hence 'Smith's' being one of the largest known English Gypsy nav's, along side 'Lee'. The Romanies word 'calo' means black but I am affraid not alot of English Gypsy's speak the language. It's been long forgotten and not used in this country, although I can't blame the ancester's for this as it was actually elegal to rokker Rommaness in England a crime punishable by death.
Stuart,
Hi hope you find out all you search for
All the best
Tilly |
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RomaniTisa
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| 15 Aug 2008 08:27 |
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Hi Tilly, nice to meet you, darling and thank you for answering my enquiry. I'll let my Nan know as Mary Cole was her mother. I should of been clearer sorry 'Cole' is suppose to be derived from 'Cola' which is the old English word meaning black. I wasn't refering to the Romani word.
If anyone else as any more information in particular to the 'Knight' family. |
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Shahnee
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| 16 Aug 2008 05:07 |
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Hi Romanitisa,
Good to see you back!
And don't worry - i had my posts etc removed as well, but still i came back - so you're not alone! LOL!
Hi Tilly,
If you get chance, would drop Shaz a line and ask for my email - I would like to have a chat about some things - not related to the site but the nav thing we have rokkered about, thanks
All the best to you both,
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romaniangel
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| 16 Aug 2008 05:45 |
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welcome back tisa
oh & dont worry there was lots asking for stuff removing & the site did need a good cleaning anyway so no probs lol
kushti bok
Shaz
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Shahnee
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| 16 Aug 2008 05:49 |
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OOOOppppsss!!
I just realised how what i posted earlier sound soooo wrong!
MY POSTS AND CONTRIBUTIONS WERE REMOVED BECAUSED I ASKED FOR THEM TO BE REMOVED - sorry shaz, sounded previously like you had done it off your own bat - and that wasn't the case!!
Dear me - must read my posts carefully before posting them!
Sorry again,
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romaniangel
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| 16 Aug 2008 06:28 |
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oh never noticed that lol
no need to apologise phen you did nothing wrong so dont worry
kushti bok
Shaz
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RomaniTisa
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| 19 Aug 2008 06:12 |
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Thanks to everyone who has been helping me with my geneology research. I have been told by that...
AYRES - a.k.a HARES, AYERS and AIRS - recorded: 1553 TO PRESENT DAY - across country.
COLLINS - a.k.a. COLINS - recorded 1891 TO PRESENT DAY - including Hampshire - connected to BOSWELL, CAMPBELL and SCAMP
COLE - a.k.a COIL - recorded 1902 TO PRESENT DAY - including Hampshire - connected to WALTER
COOPER - recorded 1625 TO PRESENT DAY - across country- connected to GASKIN and SHERRIFF
JAMES - recorded 1750 TO PRESENT DAY - across country, WALES and IRELAND - connected to most famillies.
KNIGHTS - recorded 1725 TO PRESENT DAY - including Hampshire - connected to HUXLEY and LOCK
It's interesting that 'Collins' may be linked to Boswells as Daddy took me to a museaum once because he wanted to 'show' me my hertiage and their was a Boswell there and both famillies seemed to know of each other.
The Coles being recorded in 1902 is about right as before that they would of been in Ireland.
I do have a question about the James family ~ are they of Irish Traveller or Romani blood. My Nana seems to think Romani, but my research keeps leading me to Ireland?
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Tilly's back
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| 20 Aug 2008 02:46 |
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Tisa,
Nice to meet you also. How old are you? I am 33 my birthday. What area do you live in? I'm in Surrey.
Good luck with your research. I tried to trace my family history because I wonted to see the black and white documents, if you know what I mean. My old Granny can go back, be word of mouth at least 180 years. Any way I had a good friend help me but we only got around to doing a little on my husbands side, lol. We chatted to much in between. If she was around I know she'd be able to help. Very good with romany history. Any way she may pop in in time.
Shahnee,
No problem you can email me any time at tillylee01@aol.com
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Shahnee
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| 20 Aug 2008 04:50 |
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Hi Tilly,
Thanks for that, and i will email you in the near future.
Do appreciate it,
All the best to you and yours,
Shahnee |
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princewolfy
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| 29 Sep 2008 08:13 |
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hi all i have been off here for some time now & so has stella as well,its good to be back on.
and we know some of you know us we moved in april in to nice place with big front and back garden for wolfy our huskie and we gave a huskie a home in november so got 2 now.
stella sends her best to every1 that knows her she doing ok so am i we still working none stop with our jobs.
and have mist you all be on when i can ok. :-) |
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Shahnee
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| 29 Sep 2008 08:32 |
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Hi princewolfy,
Long time no hear from you!! I have been trying to get in touch with you via email but didn't have a reponse - so i wondering if you changed your email addi?
Ar well, never mind, heres my email: lavengri@hotmail.co.uk
If you get time then email me and we can chat, i still have those brill photos you sent me of your dogs etc - how are they doing?
Please give my best wishes to Stella, how is her health these days? Geting better or at least no worse, i hope!
All the best to you,
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princewolfy
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| 29 Sep 2008 09:05 |
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shahnee
i have sent you a email hope you get it ok,its the same send me a privet message then i can get back to you on it.i do hope you get message i sent you not that long ago.
we are all ok and the 2 huskie dogs as well. |
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Shahnee
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| 30 Sep 2008 10:54 |
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Hi princewolfy,
I got the email thanks and have replied.
Hope to speak soon, all the best to you and Stella. |
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princewolfy
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| 03 Oct 2008 11:18 |
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romaniangel
i hope you are keeping well its been some time when i spoke to you last been of here for some time now but back on when i can as i am still working all the time.
speak again soon ok frend.
kushti bok vincent&stella |
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