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Tani
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| 01 Jul 2008 22:00 |
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Hi all, I'm new to the site, just started to explore my ancestry - my Mom is Sinte, from Germany - and I've been living in Ireland for a coupla years.
Now I'd like to know something: what's the difference between Gammon and Cant, is there any at all?
And what's the origin of the word "Cant"? I had an argument with a friend about the origin of the word, and my guess was that it comes from the Latin "Canto" (Song/Singing).
Does anybody know or can point out a bokk or something about the origin of the language?
I'd be real grateful!
Cheers, Tani |
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kilby
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| 03 Jul 2008 11:33 |
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Hello Tani, as to your qestion bout cant, well, shelta- gammon -pavee are all spoke by diffrent irish travelers, an there all made up of old irish and english mixed up.
Cant covers them all anjust means a secret languige spoke by travelers so gadje dont know what there sayin.
C J Eastwood would explain it better but he dont come on here much now, think he,s busy writin a book.
hope you understand this. all the best-----kilby------ |
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Tani
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| 03 Jul 2008 22:22 |
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Thanks a mill, Kilby. That already helps me a lot!:)
And of course I understand CJ being busy, no prob. I intend to hang artound here quite a bit, I like the site and there's so much to learn and so many people to talk to an exchange info and stories - it makes me feel less homesick here in my exile. see ya around, cheers! |
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Cj Eastwood
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| 18 Jul 2011 08:49 |
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| Hi Tani,
I'd like to think I was writing a book. I always mean to but I'm not the best writer as I'm always too busy with everyday earning money and living, lol.
The Pavee speak Gammon which is the fuller language and then they also speak Cant which is a watered down version. A bit like English Romani which is a mix of pure Romani and English. The word Cant I think is an English word (probably of Latin descent as you have mentioned) which mean a half language as in it is not a complete language. There is other Cants such as Elizabethan Cant which was a language spoken by the poor in Elizabethan England so the rich and the police could not understand them. They would change words like woman they'd call a mort. The Elizabethan cant and the Pavee cant aren't related, though some words from Elizabethan Cant have survived among some English travelers (obviously learned from Londoners whilst in London or whilst hop picking)
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| 07/01/2008 10:00 PM |
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Hi all, I'm new to the site, just started to explore my ancestry - my Mom is Sinte, from Germany - and I've been living in Ireland for a coupla years.
Now I'd like to know something: what's the difference between Gammon and Cant, is there any at all?
And what's the origin of the word "Cant"? I had an argument with a friend about the origin of the word, and my guess was that it comes from the Latin "Canto" (Song/Singing).
Does anybody know or can point out a bokk or something about the origin of the language?
I'd be real grateful!
Cheers, Tani |
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kilby
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| 07/03/2008 11:33 AM |
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Hello Tani, as to your qestion bout cant, well, shelta- gammon -pavee are all spoke by diffrent irish travelers, an there all made up of old irish and english mixed up.
Cant covers them all anjust means a secret languige spoke by travelers so gadje dont know what there sayin.
C J Eastwood would explain it better but he dont come on here much now, think he,s busy writin a book.
hope you understand this. all the best-----kilby------ |
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Tani
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| 07/03/2008 10:22 PM |
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Thanks a mill, Kilby. That already helps me a lot!:)
And of course I understand CJ being busy, no prob. I intend to hang artound here quite a bit, I like the site and there's so much to learn and so many people to talk to an exchange info and stories - it makes me feel less homesick here in my exile. see ya around, cheers! |
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Cj Eastwood
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| 07/18/2011 8:49 AM |
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| Hi Tani,
I'd like to think I was writing a book. I always mean to but I'm not the best writer as I'm always too busy with everyday earning money and living, lol.
The Pavee speak Gammon which is the fuller language and then they also speak Cant which is a watered down version. A bit like English Romani which is a mix of pure Romani and English. The word Cant I think is an English word (probably of Latin descent as you have mentioned) which mean a half language as in it is not a complete language. There is other Cants such as Elizabethan Cant which was a language spoken by the poor in Elizabethan England so the rich and the police could not understand them. They would change words like woman they'd call a mort. The Elizabethan cant and the Pavee cant aren't related, though some words from Elizabethan Cant have survived among some English travelers (obviously learned from Londoners whilst in London or whilst hop picking)
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