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| 20 Oct 2010 18:43 |
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| So this summer I found outt hat some of my ancestors were in fact gypsies. However I dont know which clan but I would like to know. Does anyone have an idea as to how I could possibly find out more? |
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| 02 Jan 2011 13:03 |
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| Hi You will need to put some dates and names if you want to get some family history help and at least 1901 as the census span from 1911 back to 1841 any info will help good luck! |
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CHARLOTTE
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| 09 Feb 2011 16:21 |
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| Hi my name is Charlotte and i want to track down some romany gypsy ancestors and existing family. My Granma Judith Movita Young was the daughter of Antony Arthur Boswell Young who died in 81 at the age of 68yrs. We dont have much info on where he was born but we understand he came from down south somewhere he came up North to Blackpool . Antony arthur boswell young had a brother called Reg Young, (Reginald Young) he was born on 1908 on site at Blackpool pleasure beach and also continued to live there. He had recieved an invitation to the qweens garden party at Buckingham Pallace. Reg young and antony had a mother called Maude or maybe even Sarah young or maybe townsend, there is a connection with the surname townsend and lee. Maude or could be sarah read palms in palantine buildings arcade, central prom, Maude had 2 daughters who read palms at olympia, dont know names. Reg young had a son called Angelo Young. There could possibly be a link to Noah Young. |
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CHARLOTTE
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| 09 Feb 2011 17:44 |
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HI, just had confirmation that Maude was born a townsend and her name is a hundred percent Maude not Sarah. Maude had a sister called Flossy.
Flossy was Maudes sister and was born on site in a gypsy tent where the pleasure now stands. Her working name was madame Curl and she worked till 98 yrs of age on the North pier at Blackpool she had two daughters Jean and Dorothy they also worked on the North pier and in the Olypmia. Flossy was the oldest Romany Gypsy on the 8th january 1980, she was 100. As a child she played games around the foundation stone of the tower. This was when camels were as popular as donkeys for pleaure rides. Blackpool evening Gazzette printed that flossy was the oldest romany gypsy at that time. Charlotte, grandaughter of Judith Movita Young. Searching for young, boswell young, please cotact me with n e more info. thanyou |
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| 10 Feb 2011 11:19 |
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Hi Charlotte and Welcome
I have emailed you and passed your details onto a lady who has several sites that specialize in Romany and Traveller family history and I am sure she will be able to help you kushti bokt!
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rg
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| 11 Feb 2011 08:03 |
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Hi Charlotte i will see what i can find for you.
Aat first glance it would seem you are from the Young/aka Hearn/Heron line and there is a few articles on my site just google romanygenes and type in
Flossie curl and it will bring up an old newspaper article that mentions Flossie and her hubby and Maude and her husband Herbert Young . |
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CHARLOTTE
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| 11 Feb 2011 17:42 |
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| Hi, just recieved your reply and im very excited that you think you might be able to help us. Im really keen to find out about my heritage and my granma is very happy as well, fingers crossed we find smethink and someone,lol. Keep you posted. Charlotte |
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rg
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| 12 Feb 2011 18:40 |
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Hi Charlotte well a good old Romany line you have here:) I have more but maybe better to send email if you want to email me just ask the mod for my email mean while your Townsend in census plus some snips from the affairs of Egypt that used to be regular feature in the Journals of the Gypsy Lore Society your Richenda looks lije a second wife for Wiliam although not impossible for her to use another name but i will need to look further for this also have more on Richendas family.
1871* Census, RG10-1155-45-33 Portchester, Hampshire.
Wm Townsend 27 London, Head Hawker
Alice Townsend 30 Hastings Wife Hawker Wife
Noah Townsend 2 Worthing Son Scholar
Georgina Stanley 35 Winchester Sister-in-Law Hawker
George Light 19 Chichester Nephew Hawker
Caravan, South Street.".
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1881* Census, RG11-4267-36-13 Lancaster, Lancashire.
William Townley 33 London, Middlesex Head Gen’l Hawker
Richinda Townley 38 Ipswich, Suffolk Wife Gen’l Hawker
Noah Townley 12 Worthing, Suffolk Son
Arthur Townley 6 Blackpool, Lancaster Son
Laurence Townley 4 Liverpool, Lancaster Son
Maud Townley 2 Liverpool, Lancaster Daughter
Flossy Townley 2 Mths Wigton, Cumberland Daughter
Caravan in a Field, With Thomas & Caroline Lee, Albert & Theresa Young.
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1891* Census, RG12-3455-26-45 Layton With Warbreck, Lancashire.
William Townends 45 Blackpool, Lancashire Head Horsedealer
Richinder Towne* 51 London Wife
Noah Townends 22 Blackpool, Lancashire Son Horsedealer
Maude Townends 13 Blackpool, Lancashire Daughter
Arthur Townends 14 Blackpool, Lancashire Son
Lawrence Towne* 13 Blackpool, Lancashire Son
Albert Townends 6 Blackpool, Lancashire Son
Floie Townends 11 Blackpool, Lancashire Daughter
James Curran 47 N.K. Lodger Travelling grinder
*Sandhills Gipsey Camp, With Honor Smith, John Young."
CENSUS:
1901* British Census, RG13-3975-89-56 Blackpool, Lancashire.
William Townshend 57 Portsmouth, Hampshire Head Cab Proprietor
Richender Town* 58 Romford, Essex, England Wife
Maud Townshend 25 Liverpool, Lancashire Daughter
Albert Townshend 16 Preston, Lancashire, England Son
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Gipsies Tents, Sands Hills, South Shore, With Siborina Smith, Noah & Beatrice Townshend, Arthur & Lattie Townsend, Noah & Caroline Young, Lawrence & Catherine Townshend."
1911 *Address:Caravan Pollards Yard Middle Lane
TOWNSEND, Lawrence Married 35 1876 Horse Dealer Lancs Liverpool
TOWNSEND, Esther Daughter 13 1898 School Girl Lancs Liverpool
TOWNSEND, Rechend Mother Widow 71 1840 House Keeper Suffolk Ipswich
Fylde Sub District:Blackpool Enumeration District:
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116 AFFAIRS OF EGYPT, 1909
To complete the annals of the Blackpool Gypsies, it is only necessary to record that William Townshend, for over thirty years a tent-dweller on the South Shore, died on January 10 at Birkenhead, aged sixty-five, and was buried at Blackpool cemetery on January 13.
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CHARLOTTE
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| 13 Feb 2011 17:46 |
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Helloo, just looking at your info now and i really am intrigued. It would be great if you could send me an email, i will give you mine as im not sure on how to get yours , my computer skills arent the best lol. I can see the census you have sent but have trouble understanding it and would u mind explaining the census and how it all sort of links up!!!. Me and my granma are both very interested in finding out our history and also keen on seeing if there are any alive and kicking, do you think there are?. Look forward to hearing back of you, Charlotte
Email: Char2hot@hotmail.co.uk thankouuu |
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| 15 Nov 2011 11:37 |
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| Maude and Flossy were my great grandfather Noah Townsend's sisters if that is any help to you. |
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CanadianGirl
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| 10/20/2010 6:43 PM |
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| So this summer I found outt hat some of my ancestors were in fact gypsies. However I dont know which clan but I would like to know. Does anyone have an idea as to how I could possibly find out more? |
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| 01/02/2011 1:03 PM |
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| Hi You will need to put some dates and names if you want to get some family history help and at least 1901 as the census span from 1911 back to 1841 any info will help good luck! |
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CHARLOTTE
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| 02/09/2011 4:21 PM |
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| Hi my name is Charlotte and i want to track down some romany gypsy ancestors and existing family. My Granma Judith Movita Young was the daughter of Antony Arthur Boswell Young who died in 81 at the age of 68yrs. We dont have much info on where he was born but we understand he came from down south somewhere he came up North to Blackpool . Antony arthur boswell young had a brother called Reg Young, (Reginald Young) he was born on 1908 on site at Blackpool pleasure beach and also continued to live there. He had recieved an invitation to the qweens garden party at Buckingham Pallace. Reg young and antony had a mother called Maude or maybe even Sarah young or maybe townsend, there is a connection with the surname townsend and lee. Maude or could be sarah read palms in palantine buildings arcade, central prom, Maude had 2 daughters who read palms at olympia, dont know names. Reg young had a son called Angelo Young. There could possibly be a link to Noah Young. |
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CHARLOTTE
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| 02/09/2011 5:44 PM |
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HI, just had confirmation that Maude was born a townsend and her name is a hundred percent Maude not Sarah. Maude had a sister called Flossy.
Flossy was Maudes sister and was born on site in a gypsy tent where the pleasure now stands. Her working name was madame Curl and she worked till 98 yrs of age on the North pier at Blackpool she had two daughters Jean and Dorothy they also worked on the North pier and in the Olypmia. Flossy was the oldest Romany Gypsy on the 8th january 1980, she was 100. As a child she played games around the foundation stone of the tower. This was when camels were as popular as donkeys for pleaure rides. Blackpool evening Gazzette printed that flossy was the oldest romany gypsy at that time. Charlotte, grandaughter of Judith Movita Young. Searching for young, boswell young, please cotact me with n e more info. thanyou |
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Moderator
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| 02/10/2011 11:19 AM |
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Hi Charlotte and Welcome
I have emailed you and passed your details onto a lady who has several sites that specialize in Romany and Traveller family history and I am sure she will be able to help you kushti bokt!
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rg
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| 02/11/2011 8:03 AM |
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Hi Charlotte i will see what i can find for you.
Aat first glance it would seem you are from the Young/aka Hearn/Heron line and there is a few articles on my site just google romanygenes and type in
Flossie curl and it will bring up an old newspaper article that mentions Flossie and her hubby and Maude and her husband Herbert Young . |
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CHARLOTTE
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| 02/11/2011 5:42 PM |
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| Hi, just recieved your reply and im very excited that you think you might be able to help us. Im really keen to find out about my heritage and my granma is very happy as well, fingers crossed we find smethink and someone,lol. Keep you posted. Charlotte |
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rg
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| 02/12/2011 6:40 PM |
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Hi Charlotte well a good old Romany line you have here:) I have more but maybe better to send email if you want to email me just ask the mod for my email mean while your Townsend in census plus some snips from the affairs of Egypt that used to be regular feature in the Journals of the Gypsy Lore Society your Richenda looks lije a second wife for Wiliam although not impossible for her to use another name but i will need to look further for this also have more on Richendas family.
1871* Census, RG10-1155-45-33 Portchester, Hampshire.
Wm Townsend 27 London, Head Hawker
Alice Townsend 30 Hastings Wife Hawker Wife
Noah Townsend 2 Worthing Son Scholar
Georgina Stanley 35 Winchester Sister-in-Law Hawker
George Light 19 Chichester Nephew Hawker
Caravan, South Street.".
CENSUS:
1881* Census, RG11-4267-36-13 Lancaster, Lancashire.
William Townley 33 London, Middlesex Head Gen’l Hawker
Richinda Townley 38 Ipswich, Suffolk Wife Gen’l Hawker
Noah Townley 12 Worthing, Suffolk Son
Arthur Townley 6 Blackpool, Lancaster Son
Laurence Townley 4 Liverpool, Lancaster Son
Maud Townley 2 Liverpool, Lancaster Daughter
Flossy Townley 2 Mths Wigton, Cumberland Daughter
Caravan in a Field, With Thomas & Caroline Lee, Albert & Theresa Young.
CENSUS:
1891* Census, RG12-3455-26-45 Layton With Warbreck, Lancashire.
William Townends 45 Blackpool, Lancashire Head Horsedealer
Richinder Towne* 51 London Wife
Noah Townends 22 Blackpool, Lancashire Son Horsedealer
Maude Townends 13 Blackpool, Lancashire Daughter
Arthur Townends 14 Blackpool, Lancashire Son
Lawrence Towne* 13 Blackpool, Lancashire Son
Albert Townends 6 Blackpool, Lancashire Son
Floie Townends 11 Blackpool, Lancashire Daughter
James Curran 47 N.K. Lodger Travelling grinder
*Sandhills Gipsey Camp, With Honor Smith, John Young."
CENSUS:
1901* British Census, RG13-3975-89-56 Blackpool, Lancashire.
William Townshend 57 Portsmouth, Hampshire Head Cab Proprietor
Richender Town* 58 Romford, Essex, England Wife
Maud Townshend 25 Liverpool, Lancashire Daughter
Albert Townshend 16 Preston, Lancashire, England Son
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Gipsies Tents, Sands Hills, South Shore, With Siborina Smith, Noah & Beatrice Townshend, Arthur & Lattie Townsend, Noah & Caroline Young, Lawrence & Catherine Townshend."
1911 *Address:Caravan Pollards Yard Middle Lane
TOWNSEND, Lawrence Married 35 1876 Horse Dealer Lancs Liverpool
TOWNSEND, Esther Daughter 13 1898 School Girl Lancs Liverpool
TOWNSEND, Rechend Mother Widow 71 1840 House Keeper Suffolk Ipswich
Fylde Sub District:Blackpool Enumeration District:
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116 AFFAIRS OF EGYPT, 1909
To complete the annals of the Blackpool Gypsies, it is only necessary to record that William Townshend, for over thirty years a tent-dweller on the South Shore, died on January 10 at Birkenhead, aged sixty-five, and was buried at Blackpool cemetery on January 13.
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CHARLOTTE
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| 02/13/2011 5:46 PM |
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Helloo, just looking at your info now and i really am intrigued. It would be great if you could send me an email, i will give you mine as im not sure on how to get yours , my computer skills arent the best lol. I can see the census you have sent but have trouble understanding it and would u mind explaining the census and how it all sort of links up!!!. Me and my granma are both very interested in finding out our history and also keen on seeing if there are any alive and kicking, do you think there are?. Look forward to hearing back of you, Charlotte
Email: Char2hot@hotmail.co.uk thankouuu |
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| 11/15/2011 11:37 AM |
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| Maude and Flossy were my great grandfather Noah Townsend's sisters if that is any help to you. |
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