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| 16 Jun 2009 15:46 |
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| 17 Jun 2009 06:34 |
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I did wonder  |
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kilby
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| 17 Jun 2009 12:40 |
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a chinese fella once tolt me as when god made the first man he baked himin a oven an he baked him too long an when he come out he was black man so god tried agen an nex time he ditnt do him long enuff an thats how ya got the white man so god tried one last time an he baked the man to purrfecsion an when he come outa that ol oven he was a luffly golden brown color an thas how god made the china man.
well he woult say that woultnt he hahahahahah ----kilby----- |
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| 17 Jun 2009 17:07 |
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| LOL well i have read the same story Kilby only the end result was the Gypsy race :))) |
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kilby
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| 17 Jun 2009 17:13 |
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| i heard it that way as well but they was on bout a china man so i jus bent it a bit hahah, hope alls well wi ye myfrient -----kilby----- |
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cam
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| 18 Jun 2009 10:12 |
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Kilby that is funny.... lol..
I heard a similar version about how he baked the first one and when it was cooked he just new it could be improved, so the next one came out perfect, and he called it woman... lol. hahaha |
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xrosiex
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| 18 Jun 2009 13:03 |
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| that sound about right to me cam lol i think thats the true story of it lolol |
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xrosiex
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| 18 Jun 2009 13:07 |
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Aaron my husband said to me last night "god made man! then he improved on it and made women!" i said "awww" then he said to me
"then god went and spoilt her by giving her a moth!!!" hahahaha
btw he keep the dog warm last night hahahahahaha |
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xrosiex
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| 18 Jun 2009 13:08 |
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| mouth even lol |
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baba1
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| 19 Jul 2009 18:20 |
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i am a romany gypsy girl from england and KUSHTI means GOOD and BOK means luck, they are both from the romany gypsy language
i speak it so i would know, maybe you dont know that word because your not english? but i dont know
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Victor
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| 25 Jul 2009 15:57 |
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Dear Baba1 in my lovari language Kushtic means a belt it is the same of a women or men { belt which keeps your pants up} and Bok means hunger,
thats why I always say that diffrence between us is big, and it is one of the reasons that we the activists are having a tough time fighting for our freedon of discrimination, I said a million of times if you consider your self a Gypsy, the language does not matter, try and help your fellow GYpsy who you know that he or she are in the Ghettos suffuring, in Italy and else were in E.U. not with money, but food old cloths etc. and send them to the Human rights of the U.N. in Swistserland, Geneva, I am sure when you will do that, you will sleep better at night
your friend Victor |
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| 16 Aug 2009 19:06 |
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Irish TravellerIrish Travellers are a nomadic or itinerant people of Irish origin living in Ireland, Great Britain and the United States. They refer to themselves as The Pavee. An estimated 23,000 Travellers live in Ireland, 15,000 in Great Britain and 7,000 in the United States. [[1]Irish Medical Journal. Traveller Health: A National Strategy 2002-2005]
Irish Travellers are distinguished from the settled communities of the countries in which they live by their own language and customs. Shelta is the traditional language of Travellers but they also speak English with a distinct accent and mannerisms. The historical origins of Travellers as a group has been a subject of dispute. Some argue that the Irish Travellers are descended from another nomadic people called the Tarish. It was once widely believed that Travellers were descended from landowners who were made homeless in Oliver Cromwell's military campaign in Ireland, but evidence shows that they have dwelt in Ireland since at least the Middle Ages.Travellers are known for naming their children 'Martin'.
Several known groups in the United States include the Northern and Southern Travellers (each of which have their own subcategories) and the Western Travellers. The Traveller language (Shelta) is dying out and only the older Travellers still know the language completely.
Some of the marriage customs, at least in the Southern Travellers (Memphis and "Georgies"), allow for 11 year old girls to be engaged to be married to 20+ year old men. Weddings occur as young as 16, often to a first or second cousin. Because in Traveller culture men are the ones who provide for the wife and family, a girl's main goal is to marry. The bride's parents pay the groom's parents a dowry, which in some cases can be quite substantial.[www.southcoasttoday.com "Secret life ends for Irish Travelers". Page A13 of The Standard-Times on 28th October 2002.]
The Traveller lifestyle often produces friction in the community, especially in urban areas. Labels such as gypsy and pikey are common in Great Britain. Gypsy is more properly applied to the Roma people but is offensive to both groups. The derogatory terms gyppo and gypolata, derived from gypsy, are also heard in Great Britain.
Like other nomadic groups in Europe and the Americas, Travellers are often accused of robbery, scams, and other delinquent behaviour. An October 11, 2002 Dateline NBC article suggests that Travellers habitually defraud their neighbors, demanding high prices for substandard day labor [2]. Additionally, cases of seizure of land by illicit means and intimidation, disregard for process (e.g., planning legislation) and the subsequent characteristic environmental damage lend support to the popular perception of endemic criminality.
Traveller advocates counter that Travellers are a distinct ethnic group with an ancient history, and there is no statistical evidence that Traveller presence raises the local crime rate (e.g., Basildon in Essex, which has the largest Traveller population in the UK, has average crime rates for its population size, although this evidence is hardly conclusive). The struggle for equal rights for these transient people led to the passing of the Caravan Sites Act 1968 that safeguarded their rights, their lifestyle and culture.
Recent criticism against Travellers in the UK centers on Travellers who have bought land, built amenities without planning permission, then fought eviction attempts by claiming it would be an abuse of human rights to remove them from their homes. The families applied for retrospective planning permission whilst they were living on their land. This received much media attention during the British 2005 General Election, after it was brought up by former Conservative Party leader Michael Howard.
The use of retrospective planning permission arose after the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994, which Michael Howard brought through the Commons, started closing down many of the sites originally provided for the community. Howard advised that Travellers should buy their own land instead and assurances were made that they would be allowed to settle it.
However, a block to Travellers' attempts to follow this advice has emerged since, with a 2003 government survey finding that 96% of Travellers who applied for planning permission to settle on their land have had permission refused, compared to figures of less than 30% for the general population. Travellers have said that unless they use the retrospective technique, the closure of the caravan sites leaves them effectively homeless and unable to settle. Support networks have also pointed out that the number of retrospective planning applications brought by Travellers is dwarfed by both commercial and settled applications.
In a spate of 2004-5 evictions, concerns were raised internationally over the treatment of Travellers, and allegations have been made of violence used in eviction attempts by publicly contracted groups, such as assault, and destruction of traveller property (e.g., burning of caravans). Dale Farm, in Basildon, Essex has become the focus of a major legal case, as the council have refused to provide alternative sites for the travellers who currently occupy the ex-waste ground.
http://en.allexperts.com/e/i/ir/irish_traveller.htm |
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Victor
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| 22 Aug 2009 15:07 |
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| Well, well, well, Romany chay you are from Poland, and your parents came from Russia let me interduce my sely to you I am a Lovari a writer and also short story writer, my name is Victor Vishnevsky you will find me here on Jorney folki on the current Aticals, I have a lot of stories for you and also my book { memories of a Gypsy} my parents also lived in Poland many decades ago, and came from Russia your elders must be knowing about my clan, I am from the Chokeschi clan, any way you can write, me here, I am very interested to know about your clan
your uncle Victor |
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fuego
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| 23 Sep 2009 20:11 |
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| kosko bok! good luck. bok i thought was luck in romani?? the interesting thing about the language are there are no correct ways of spelling really. boccalo is hungry or pannish so maybe where boc came in??
hope i helped some.. |
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fuego
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| 23 Sep 2009 20:20 |
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fuego
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| 23 Sep 2009 20:27 |
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| i tried to reply!! i'm fuego new too. my reply is on the forum. but i tried to send it as a reply in more detail. don't think it went through. Nice to meet a true chi xx |
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fuego
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| 23 Sep 2009 20:31 |
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| that was for romany chi incase you didn't guess.. lol i'm a new user, you wouldn't have guessed tho eh!! lmfao |
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Ditch
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| 25 Sep 2009 22:09 |
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Fuego; Keep bashing away. Ye'll get used to the place ~ sort of stylised bedlam! :laugh:
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Cj Eastwood
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| In English Romani a lot of vowels get pronounced different. It is not with all English Romani but depends on accent.
A common example is 'a' becoming 'o'
Yag (fire) becomes yog
Yak (eye) becomes yok
mato (drunk) becomes moto
Kasht (wood) beomes kosh
Pag (break) becomes pog
Bak / Bakt becomes bok
This is where the problem arises. Many English Romani still pronounce with an 'a'. It is not even regional as I have seen the same area can have families pronouncing differently. In English Romani Bok also still hungry or as most would say Bokoli / bokolo.
Kushti is an old Romani word that has survived with Romanichals yet has died out amongst most other groups. Like the word Bakt (luck) comes from Persian / Urdu, Kushti also comes from Persian
Irish Travelers (or Pavee as they call themselves) originate from Ireland unlike Romani who originate from India. They speak a form of backslang Gaelic which they call Gammon. They also have a slang form of their language called 'Cant'. This isn't to be confused with Elizabethan Cant which was a language spoken by beggars and thieves in downtown London
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rg
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| 06/16/2009 3:46 PM |
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cam
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| I did wonder |
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kilby
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| 06/17/2009 12:40 PM |
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a chinese fella once tolt me as when god made the first man he baked himin a oven an he baked him too long an when he come out he was black man so god tried agen an nex time he ditnt do him long enuff an thats how ya got the white man so god tried one last time an he baked the man to purrfecsion an when he come outa that ol oven he was a luffly golden brown color an thas how god made the china man.
well he woult say that woultnt he hahahahahah ----kilby----- |
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| 06/17/2009 5:07 PM |
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| LOL well i have read the same story Kilby only the end result was the Gypsy race :))) |
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kilby
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| 06/17/2009 5:13 PM |
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| i heard it that way as well but they was on bout a china man so i jus bent it a bit hahah, hope alls well wi ye myfrient -----kilby----- |
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cam
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| 06/18/2009 10:12 AM |
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Kilby that is funny.... lol..
I heard a similar version about how he baked the first one and when it was cooked he just new it could be improved, so the next one came out perfect, and he called it woman... lol. hahaha |
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xrosiex
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| 06/18/2009 1:03 PM |
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| that sound about right to me cam lol i think thats the true story of it lolol |
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xrosiex
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| 06/18/2009 1:07 PM |
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Aaron my husband said to me last night "god made man! then he improved on it and made women!" i said "awww" then he said to me
"then god went and spoilt her by giving her a moth!!!" hahahaha
btw he keep the dog warm last night hahahahahaha |
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xrosiex
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| 06/18/2009 1:08 PM |
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| mouth even lol |
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baba1
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| 07/19/2009 6:20 PM |
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i am a romany gypsy girl from england and KUSHTI means GOOD and BOK means luck, they are both from the romany gypsy language
i speak it so i would know, maybe you dont know that word because your not english? but i dont know
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Victor
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| 07/25/2009 3:57 PM |
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Dear Baba1 in my lovari language Kushtic means a belt it is the same of a women or men { belt which keeps your pants up} and Bok means hunger,
thats why I always say that diffrence between us is big, and it is one of the reasons that we the activists are having a tough time fighting for our freedon of discrimination, I said a million of times if you consider your self a Gypsy, the language does not matter, try and help your fellow GYpsy who you know that he or she are in the Ghettos suffuring, in Italy and else were in E.U. not with money, but food old cloths etc. and send them to the Human rights of the U.N. in Swistserland, Geneva, I am sure when you will do that, you will sleep better at night
your friend Victor |
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| 08/16/2009 7:06 PM |
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Irish TravellerIrish Travellers are a nomadic or itinerant people of Irish origin living in Ireland, Great Britain and the United States. They refer to themselves as The Pavee. An estimated 23,000 Travellers live in Ireland, 15,000 in Great Britain and 7,000 in the United States. [[1]Irish Medical Journal. Traveller Health: A National Strategy 2002-2005]
Irish Travellers are distinguished from the settled communities of the countries in which they live by their own language and customs. Shelta is the traditional language of Travellers but they also speak English with a distinct accent and mannerisms. The historical origins of Travellers as a group has been a subject of dispute. Some argue that the Irish Travellers are descended from another nomadic people called the Tarish. It was once widely believed that Travellers were descended from landowners who were made homeless in Oliver Cromwell's military campaign in Ireland, but evidence shows that they have dwelt in Ireland since at least the Middle Ages.Travellers are known for naming their children 'Martin'.
Several known groups in the United States include the Northern and Southern Travellers (each of which have their own subcategories) and the Western Travellers. The Traveller language (Shelta) is dying out and only the older Travellers still know the language completely.
Some of the marriage customs, at least in the Southern Travellers (Memphis and "Georgies"), allow for 11 year old girls to be engaged to be married to 20+ year old men. Weddings occur as young as 16, often to a first or second cousin. Because in Traveller culture men are the ones who provide for the wife and family, a girl's main goal is to marry. The bride's parents pay the groom's parents a dowry, which in some cases can be quite substantial.[www.southcoasttoday.com "Secret life ends for Irish Travelers". Page A13 of The Standard-Times on 28th October 2002.]
The Traveller lifestyle often produces friction in the community, especially in urban areas. Labels such as gypsy and pikey are common in Great Britain. Gypsy is more properly applied to the Roma people but is offensive to both groups. The derogatory terms gyppo and gypolata, derived from gypsy, are also heard in Great Britain.
Like other nomadic groups in Europe and the Americas, Travellers are often accused of robbery, scams, and other delinquent behaviour. An October 11, 2002 Dateline NBC article suggests that Travellers habitually defraud their neighbors, demanding high prices for substandard day labor [2]. Additionally, cases of seizure of land by illicit means and intimidation, disregard for process (e.g., planning legislation) and the subsequent characteristic environmental damage lend support to the popular perception of endemic criminality.
Traveller advocates counter that Travellers are a distinct ethnic group with an ancient history, and there is no statistical evidence that Traveller presence raises the local crime rate (e.g., Basildon in Essex, which has the largest Traveller population in the UK, has average crime rates for its population size, although this evidence is hardly conclusive). The struggle for equal rights for these transient people led to the passing of the Caravan Sites Act 1968 that safeguarded their rights, their lifestyle and culture.
Recent criticism against Travellers in the UK centers on Travellers who have bought land, built amenities without planning permission, then fought eviction attempts by claiming it would be an abuse of human rights to remove them from their homes. The families applied for retrospective planning permission whilst they were living on their land. This received much media attention during the British 2005 General Election, after it was brought up by former Conservative Party leader Michael Howard.
The use of retrospective planning permission arose after the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994, which Michael Howard brought through the Commons, started closing down many of the sites originally provided for the community. Howard advised that Travellers should buy their own land instead and assurances were made that they would be allowed to settle it.
However, a block to Travellers' attempts to follow this advice has emerged since, with a 2003 government survey finding that 96% of Travellers who applied for planning permission to settle on their land have had permission refused, compared to figures of less than 30% for the general population. Travellers have said that unless they use the retrospective technique, the closure of the caravan sites leaves them effectively homeless and unable to settle. Support networks have also pointed out that the number of retrospective planning applications brought by Travellers is dwarfed by both commercial and settled applications.
In a spate of 2004-5 evictions, concerns were raised internationally over the treatment of Travellers, and allegations have been made of violence used in eviction attempts by publicly contracted groups, such as assault, and destruction of traveller property (e.g., burning of caravans). Dale Farm, in Basildon, Essex has become the focus of a major legal case, as the council have refused to provide alternative sites for the travellers who currently occupy the ex-waste ground.
http://en.allexperts.com/e/i/ir/irish_traveller.htm |
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Victor
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| 08/22/2009 3:07 PM |
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| Well, well, well, Romany chay you are from Poland, and your parents came from Russia let me interduce my sely to you I am a Lovari a writer and also short story writer, my name is Victor Vishnevsky you will find me here on Jorney folki on the current Aticals, I have a lot of stories for you and also my book { memories of a Gypsy} my parents also lived in Poland many decades ago, and came from Russia your elders must be knowing about my clan, I am from the Chokeschi clan, any way you can write, me here, I am very interested to know about your clan
your uncle Victor |
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fuego
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| 09/23/2009 8:11 PM |
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| kosko bok! good luck. bok i thought was luck in romani?? the interesting thing about the language are there are no correct ways of spelling really. boccalo is hungry or pannish so maybe where boc came in??
hope i helped some.. |
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fuego
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| 09/23/2009 8:20 PM |
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fuego
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| 09/23/2009 8:27 PM |
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| i tried to reply!! i'm fuego new too. my reply is on the forum. but i tried to send it as a reply in more detail. don't think it went through. Nice to meet a true chi xx |
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fuego
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| 09/23/2009 8:31 PM |
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| that was for romany chi incase you didn't guess.. lol i'm a new user, you wouldn't have guessed tho eh!! lmfao |
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Ditch
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| 09/25/2009 10:09 PM |
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Fuego; Keep bashing away. Ye'll get used to the place ~ sort of stylised bedlam! :laugh:
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Cj Eastwood
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| 07/18/2011 8:36 AM |
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| In English Romani a lot of vowels get pronounced different. It is not with all English Romani but depends on accent.
A common example is 'a' becoming 'o'
Yag (fire) becomes yog
Yak (eye) becomes yok
mato (drunk) becomes moto
Kasht (wood) beomes kosh
Pag (break) becomes pog
Bak / Bakt becomes bok
This is where the problem arises. Many English Romani still pronounce with an 'a'. It is not even regional as I have seen the same area can have families pronouncing differently. In English Romani Bok also still hungry or as most would say Bokoli / bokolo.
Kushti is an old Romani word that has survived with Romanichals yet has died out amongst most other groups. Like the word Bakt (luck) comes from Persian / Urdu, Kushti also comes from Persian
Irish Travelers (or Pavee as they call themselves) originate from Ireland unlike Romani who originate from India. They speak a form of backslang Gaelic which they call Gammon. They also have a slang form of their language called 'Cant'. This isn't to be confused with Elizabethan Cant which was a language spoken by beggars and thieves in downtown London
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