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nomadbill
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| 29 Mar 2007 21:46 |
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| Hiya all, I've looked at the post asking if theres any christians on here, so i thought i'd ask u what makes a christian?
I've recently met a born again christian and thought i'd speak to her about religion. Now i'm not a religious man but i thought that being a christian was about treating people well, being polite, honest & true. So i asked her about her faith but also about others. Now she beleives that every other religion is satanic and that only those that follow her faith will be saved when judgement day arrives which according to her is almost upon us.
While talking to her she has openly admitted that she has lied, cajouled & deceived to make sure her life goes her way. She gets very angry when it don't and will shout,scream & swear untill things go her way. Now if that don't work, she'll throw things about and even turn to physical violence if she has to. Then she'll justify her behaviour by saying it's ok to sin just as long as you repent.
I'm not a christian but i treat people better than that. I have standards & morals that i try to live my life by and beleive that if you can't touch someones life in a positive way then don't touch it at all. Now that particular girl regards herself as better than me, she is middle class and i am a gypsy. Tell me, am i wrong for doubting her christian faith?
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nomadbill
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| 29 Mar 2007 21:53 |
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| I've also recently met a bunch of Jehovahs witnesses who are the nicest people i've met in a long time. They live their lives by a strong set of morals and treat everybody with respect.
So does it really matter what faith you follow? Surely what counts is how you treat the people that you come into contact with, i look it like karma, what goes around comes around, so be good! |
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Shinari
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| 30 Mar 2007 22:46 |
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I think, that ultimately, religions come from the heart. I mean, religions had to start somewhere! And the most logical answer to where they started in within the minds and hearts of people.
The way I see it that Christ and the Biblical message are often not in line with the religions that sprouted from them. For example, each denomination has a man-made boundary around it that doesn't see past its ways. I think like most revolutionaries and gurus, Jesus Christ came to break boundaries and lead people to a heightened spiritual state that required a deeply personal relationship with Him (consider His dealings with the Samaritan and Phoenician women).
The most recorded topic in the Gospels of Christ's preachings was that the kingdom of heaven is in your heart. When a religion sprouts that harbours its roots in heaven, well, let's just say I'm down with that. I'm definitely not down with religious strictures that are not divinely inspired. The problem arises when false prophets go around telling people that they have "new divine knowledge" about something. All I have to say about that is "test the spirits" and use your spiritual discernment lest you be fooled like other gullible people. |
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valerierackly
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| 01 Apr 2007 20:39 |
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HI, it does say test the spirits, also it says that not all that come in the name of the lord belong to the lord also; you can tell a real born again christian from how they conduct there life. How they are with others, christian and none christian. We are to be graceful and gentle,
bot conceited and trying to be at peace with one and other. we are taught throught the bible to love each other, and to tell each other about Jesus and the LORD our God also, but we have to do that with humility and care.We have to be compassionate with -out comprimising our own believes and morals, this is a hard thing for most to do but the more we try the more easier it becomes, its like re-training our-selves to be nice.lol.
Jesus never came to condem us but to save us, all have fallen short and have sinned, but we have to turn our-selves around from sin and try as much as we are able not to. and we are not to lead another into sin either.And if we see a brother or sister who are sinning we are to pray with them and talk to them about it, helping them to get back onto track.
Many do claim to be christian ,I have heard some very disturbing stories about some. But how they live when they are being watched and when they are in there daily lives is how you can see if they really are. none of us are perfect but you can see a genuin redeemed person by what they do.
I am noe perfect and I do have many floors, but if a person talks to me I am sure they can tell by my ways and words what I believe and how I aspire to live my life.
I hope I can answer you more if you need me to. I try to be as I am needed. |
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May the peace of the LORD be with you always. God Bless |
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nomadbill
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| 01 Apr 2007 23:37 |
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| Thank you Shinari & Valerie for your thoughts & wisdom. As i said i am not very religious, I think i should study various religions before i make a choice. To be honest Buddhism intrests me! My limited understanding of the Christian faith is what led me to question that girls beliefs, you see it was as if she was looking down on me, as if i was a lesser mortal for being who i am. I found it hard to understand that a Christian would behave in that way. So I guess it really just comes down to the individual, whatever faith they follow, we should all try our hardest to be kind, honest & true. Like Shahnee said, morals, respect, manners & love are what maketh a good person not the religion or faith they profess to follow. Take care all, the nomad |
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RomaniTisa
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| 15 Aug 2008 01:50 |
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Nomadbill that lady sounds really scary :oS If things don't go my way I take a stand back up and accept it. I mean everything happens for a reason doesn’t it? I am 'open minded' about religions. It really does not bother me what religion someone is, its how they conduct themselves, treat and respect people that I care about.
I believe people tend to create their own realities based on how they perceive things and to them these realities are very real even if I don't agree with them I accept their views because to them they are real.
My family are Christians and Catholics, but like I said I am open minded in the sense that there are things out there science just can’t explain. I respect the views of others regardless of their religion they follow. I also have great respect for those of you who have faith and stick with it through thick and thin.
We did think as my hubbie is a Christian of getting our little one christened, but had a change of heart at the last minute as I think it’s not for me to choose it should be her own choice and I will love her no matter what.
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Shahnee
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| 16 Aug 2008 05:44 |
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Hi Romanitisa,
I had all my children christened - but not because i was particullary religious - but for the fact that without being christened they couldn't be buried in consecrated ground - by that i mean church grounds.
On reflection, as locally most folk are buried in a communial burial yard - rather then a church yard - makes me wonder why i did it - ah well!
I know it sounds morbid - because we don't wish anyone to pass before their time, but when my little lad died, amongst all that i was going through i kept thinking "Thank God he was christened" -
maybe it was just grief - something to hold on to - some kind of comfort - though at the time it didn't feel like it.
I never thought, at the time of thier christenings, that i was decieding for my children, what they should believe - though it is a thought. But thankfully, being christened has stopped them all for making their won decisions regarding religion - the two eldest are definetly Athiest, and the two younger lads couldn't care less about religion. But my second girl actually asked if someone would take her to church so she could see for herself - and now she goes regularly - entirely her choice.
But you have made me think - are our (however well intentioned) actions in some way influencing our children in later life?!
This is something you have certainly made me think about, thank you.
All the best,
Shahnee
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Shahnee
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| 18 Aug 2008 04:16 |
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Oh dear heaven - just read me post!
Should read these dam things before submitting shouldn't i?1
The sentence beginning "But thankfully, being christened has stopped them all for making their won decisions regarding....................." should read "has NOT stopped........." and "won" should read "own"!
Apologies Tisa, i must have sounded very dinlo! LOL!
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setaside
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| 18 Aug 2008 07:22 |
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| helo shahnee, hope you dont mind me jioning in, our 4 children now all grown up with kids of their own were brought up catholick and went to church to mass most sundays, none of them now go to catholick church, but do have faith, my own opinian is to give them the groundind and then let them choose, they will go their own way one day but hopefuly with some exstra chioses, good luck from setaside |
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Shahnee
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| 18 Aug 2008 09:00 |
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Hi Setaside,
Of course you can join in that's what forums are for!
Actually, that's a good point you made - it gives them a grounding and then they can choose. I think that's a valid point. Thanks for that - I don't feel so bad now - LOL!
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