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Monday, June 04, 2007 The Ways of the Kalderasha Tribe By @ 12:03 PM :: 2317 Views :: 16 Comments :: :: Memories of a Gypsy   by Victor Vishnevsky In their tribe whenever a father gives his daughter away to get married it is the utmost pride of the father is to give away his daughter when she is a virgin! This tribe has always made transactions amongst themselves about the price of the bride, their son and daughter are never consulted whether they want to be married or not, everything is arranged by their fathers. In the states this tribe once paid 50 Mexican gold coins for a virgin, and of course she should be at least good looking and from a good family. Now the father of the groom always tries to show the whole clan that is very generous, and gives cars, or more money to the couple, and if he is rich enough he may buy them a house… the house must have one floor only because no one will visit them if there is a floor above, that is no married women may be above any man… that is called Marheme. Now the father receives the bride on the night of their marriage, he usually sends some elder women to be nearby the couple that is out side the door where the couple will sleep, so that the bride might throw her night gown stained with blood of her virginity. The next day, still at the wedding {it usually is celebrated for two days} these women who were witness to her virginity have big red flags waving in the hall, this shows symbolically her virginity. The grooms father is the happiest man alive, he considers that her virginity will surely bring him luck, and also shows off to the clan that he is rich and is very proud of it, because the rich members in their clan sometimes show their wealth on the wedding in gold or money or even diamonds, this gesture gives him much respect among his clan. Now what I wrote was quite a long time ago, but in some clans it is still valid. Copywrite ©2007 Victor Vishnevsky

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Comments By Rammona @ Monday, August 06, 2007 5:04 PM Hi Victor on my dads side they are Kalderash Rom, my mams side are Welsh Rom. I live both sides but more with my dads side. I read your article about my people and would like to add on to it. There are many changes going on with the Rom some good some I personally believe not good, but thats another story. Some good changes are happening with our marriages, but first let me point out there are lots of Kalderash Rom in many countries, some are changing others are not. My family which is huge no longer promise marriage when the children are babies, the girls now are given a choice who they want to marry, of course it is still only to another Kalderash. Also the girls are usually over 16 and most often 18 and up, no more child marriage. Which I believe is good. When I was younger and living in England my family wanted me to marry into a family that lived in the States, I did not know this family and I would have had to go and live in the States. Fortunatley I was not not made to do this. Another big thing that affects marriage today is whether the family are "Christians". Thats another huge thing that is happening with the Rom all over the world the religion "Born again Christian" has moved in in a very big way and the Rom are giving up their Catholic faith and changing. The change is is making is incredible, we are becoming more peaceful, forgiving, kinder, less whoolie (anger, agrevation) calmer and less aggressive.......the list goes on. My prals son has just got his papers to be a Pastor and he is beautiful, people come to him in many countries when they know he is visiting. Thats enough of me rambling now, Victor if you know anything about the Welsh Rom I would appreciate to hear it. My Grandfather was Cradock Price he was allways called Creddy, he had a brother called Ivor. My nana was called Catherine and they had 3 daughters Ivy the oldest who married Hope Lee and they went off travelling. The middle sister is called Emily and then Josephine nickname Pearly. We lived in Barry South Wales. I would love to be in touch with my Bebe Ivy's family I do not know how to find them. If you or any one can help me I would be grateful. Nies Dookur Victor shar Devlesa By Victor @ Monday, August 20, 2007 7:45 PM My dear Rammona, I am very sorry to disapiont you because I do not know any one in England of our Roma/Gipsies, funny but unfortunately, I never been to England I am very happy to hear that in England the rules of kelderasha marriges have changed, but not in Brazil, they still make transactions, but there is one diffrence, the youth of the Kelderasha, are against this rule, and I am sure that it will change very soon, thanks to the the other tribes that have already banned this rule if you want any other information please don't hesitate to ask your friend Victor By Rammona @ Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:15 PM Hi Victor I just found the area where you responded to my response reguarding the Kalderash Tribe. I noticed when I typed in Kalderash Rom on Google Journey Folki was advertized with your article and my response. The problem is my full name is mentioned there, do you know how to eliminate my name from that article and how I can put a psydo name in? Thanks. By Victor @ Monday, November 12, 2007 1:27 PM Mydear Rammona, I am sorry but I don't know how to eliminate your name, on journey folki, bit I think is you will ask the modarater he might help you, your friend Victor By Sentalina @ Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:23 PM Hi Rammonna, There are alot of Prices living in Sheffield on a trailer site but im not sure of the name of the site,But i know there are alot of prices on there as they are cousins to my ex husband who is a Lee, Hope this helps you By Rammona @ Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:38 PM Hi Anna Marie, thank you so much for responding, I did not know that there are lots of Prices in Sheffield. Does anyone on this site know of how I can get in touch with the Rom in Sheffield and the name of the camp. Anna you said you are married to a Lee, is he related to my Aunty Ivy who married Hope Lee, they traveled alot. She was my mams oldest sister and her favorite, my mam talked alot about Aunty Ivy. I have not seen her for years and then a few years ago my family in Wales told me she had Passed on......I know very little of my mother's people but I have heard from a Welsh Roma site that I also belong to that is common for the Welsh Rom, they were more to themselves than the average Rom, in fact this site is trying to find out any info. they can about the Welsh Roma, history, photos etc. I gave them some info that I remember and some names on my mams side. If anyone wants to have the web site just let me know and I will post it. I spend lots o f time on my laptop researching all different Rom all over the world. I recently read about a group that live in Jerusalem they are extremely poor and because of the politics in the country it is very rare for other Rom to get to see them. This group came up with an idea to make money and opened a web site selling things that they make, one of them being jewelery, beautiful Jewelry. I love this site it has great information. Thanks Anna Marie, I love your name. One of my half sisters was called Maria but her nick name was Chita so her beautiful real name was never used..... By JUNGLEE @ Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:32 PM HI THERE EVERYBODY, I WANT TO TAKE A JOURNEY TO SEE REAL FORTUNE TELLING, CARAVAN LIVING, GUITAR PLAYING ROMANI. PREFERABLY EASTERN EUROPE. I'M FROM FIJI AND MY 85 YR OLD GRANDMOTHER HAS ALWAYS CLAIMED TO BE GYPSY OR ROMANI. HER MAIDEN NAME IS MORRELL, SHE STILL WEARS A SCARF AND LOVES COLOURFUL SKIRTS. I DO NOT KNOW WHETHER SHE IS KALDERASH, SINTI-MANUSH, LAUTARI OR OTHER. THEY WOULD EITHER HAVE COME TO FIJI VIA SOUTH AFRICA OR AUSTRALIA AROUND 1890'S. WHEN I WAS BORN, SHE BLESSED ME AND SAID THAT OF ALL HER GRAND CHILDREN, I WOULD GO BACK THE WAY HER FAMILY CAME. NOW I KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT!!! AT PRESENT, I AM A BRITISH SOLDIER IN IRAQ. IN 2004 WHILST ON TOUR IN BANJA LUKA BOSNIA, WE TOOK A WRONG TURN INTO A GYPSY NEIGHBOURHOOD CALLED VESELI BRIEG (THE HAPPY HILL). UP UNTIL THEN, I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT GYPSIES OR CHIGANE WERE A MYTH THAT GRANDMOTHERS TOLD THEIR GRANDCHILDREN. THE RAKIYA AND THE VIOLINIST PROVED ME WRONG. FIJI IS AN ISLAND PARADISE BUT EVEN I KNOW, THAT IN THE POVERTY STRICKEN NEIGHBOUR HOODS OF THE WORLD THERE ARE REAL PEOPLE WITH REAL HEARTS. I HAVE MANY CHOICES FOR A HOLIDAY: PUERTO RICO, HAWAII OR OUR NEIGHBOUR TAHITI. THE WORLD IS AT MY FEET BUT SEEING LIVE KICKING BREATHING DANCING GYPSIES WINS HANDS DOWN. EVERYBODY TELLS ME THAT I COULD GET KILLED OR ROBBED ETC WITH ROMS, BUT I THINK I WILL TAKE MY CHANCES. I'VE BEEN A BRITISH SOLDIER FOR 6 YRS. I HAVE NEVER FIRED MY WEAPON IN ANGER AND HAVE NEVER KILLED ANYBODY (THANK GOD) AND HOPE I NEVER WILL. THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT HAPPENS HERE EVERYDAY: WE GET BOMBED AND I PLAY GUITAR. I GO TO AFGHANISTAN LATER ON THIS YEAR. I GUESS THAT'S RIGHT ABOUT THE PLACE MY NANA'S PEOPLE STARTING OFF. IT'S A PITY THEY DIDN'T TAKE A COMPASS OTHERWISE THEY WOULD HAVE REACHED FIJI SOONER. NOW CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHERE I SHOULD GO, I NEED HELP!!! Thank you Sincerely, JUNGLEE (MY REAL FIRST NAME IS TILLMAN, JUNGLEE IS JUST A NICK NAME I PICKED UP AS A KID) By Adrian @ Tuesday, June 09, 2009 5:18 AM You sound like a rich mercenary trying to find your roots. In case you forgot, its in Nuqa Place, Valelevu, Fiji. Let us know when you coming back to Fiji. your bro. Adrian By Shawna @ Saturday, July 04, 2009 6:52 AM Junglee .. I am a Romani in north America. Your story sounds very interesting. Does your grandmother still speak any Romanes? The pronouncation can be a good clue as to what tribe she's from. Also if you don't mind me asking.. Can you please tell us more about Iraq's Gypsy area? Where do those Rom say they come from? Kindest regards, Shawna By Tillman @ Tuesday, July 14, 2009 1:19 PM They came through Egypt from India. They were hired as musicians. There are no gypsies, only bedouin now. In Egypt they learnt to read the stars, tell the future and learnt to build chariots. There is even a legend that tells of their history. But Iraq is... Never mind. Dev Ja!!! Tillman. By Adrian @ Tuesday, July 14, 2009 9:44 PM Tillman, what is your e-mail address. I want to send you some more info. on a bedouin tribe in Fiji. The head of the tribe is Uncle Solo followed by Steven and Adrian. They have found a new yaqona species. By Tillman @ Wednesday, July 15, 2009 8:58 AM Hey Bro!!! I didn't notice your last post. Sorry. Did you Google my name? That's the only way people catch up with me, this one site that is. Hey Cuz, I tell you what... because I'm in such a good mood, I'll sell you my e-mail address. hahaha!!! Are you interested? Let me know if you are. JUNGLEE PS SAY HI TO THE MRS AND KISS THE KIDS FOR ME. By Adrian @ Wednesday, July 15, 2009 5:06 PM Jeepers, I knew the chinese are cut throat business men but you take the cake. Whats your price ? How about I make it up to you by buying the 1st kg. But I understand if you dont want to contacted. Its okay to come out of the closet ?????? Ha ! Ha! By GROFO @ Friday, July 24, 2009 7:24 AM MY NAME IS GROFO. I'M LOVARA ROM. I LIKE TO HAVE CONTACT WITH VICTOR VISHNEVSKY. I KNOW WE ARE RELATED. MY GRANDMOTHER RAIDA WAS CHOKHESTI, GRANDFATHER BANGO WAS JANKESTI. I BELIVE YOU HADE PALULA AND BABINA IN CLOSE FAMILY. REGARDS By Victor @ Saturday, July 25, 2009 4:28 PM my dear Grofo, Palulia was my uncle. his wife Babina, was my untys husband sister, later Palulia and Babina separated and Palulia married in Germany he had two sons one was called Hanny the others name I dont know , but i saw Hanny in Germany about 25 years ago, Hanny has died, now Babina ranaway with Kelderasi, to Argentina and had a son from him, his name was Valodia, I met him in Brasil, he has a son now in Argentina by the name of Yanko, I have contact with him, write me here or on Romsknet, in Sweden, or on romani roots in England, I am a writer now I have my books published on each one of these sites, just put my name, victor vishnevsky and you will find me, I kive in Brazil, te aves sasto ai baxtalo muro pral ai sa ti familia ai pen mange kai san anda che tem! By grofo @ Saturday, March 20, 2010 5:56 PM tas bahtalo nano wicia.me trai ande australia aj vi ando szvedo akanik skiri tuke anda szvedo . kate szundem ke skiris e romenca ando sztokholm.kamos te zianaw ciro telefono.te pusiawma tutar pa muro baro papo.o baro.lacy ke szundem ke wow sas cie nano palulasko namo..dewlesa . Click here to post a comment